@amlam Is? Not anytime soon. Can never? I'm not sure.

Any time soon like, within 20 years

to @Shadows credit, he's saying that it is worth fighting for

to my credit, I have a newborn son, that's not a fight i can make, i have to keep my family first

Your statement was operating the assumption that we wanted California to get better by moving away. Ultimately the argument is “I can’t do anything to fix this. I’m leaving for the safety of my family”

@Clive Ya, i wouldn't suggest anyone who doesn't want to do it stay.

Yes I'm with amlam

each person will ultimately make the decision that deem best for them and theirs

that they *

@amlam I already said i wouldn't force anyone to be some place. So that doesn't really change what else i said.

I'm moving because I cannot help, i can't fix the problem, I'm moving to protect my family

Selfishly I suppose

Which is fine.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place

“We can’t just run away from these problems and expect them to get better.”
A true and irrelevant statement since nobody who’s leaving is doing so hoping it will get better.

There's a street in my city named after my family

It's just not the same place anymore

Obviously a tough decision to move a few states a way

Away*

What? @amlam

@amlam
CA can't get better until it hits rock bottom. 😢😢😢😢

but if a state hits rock bottom, won't it just get more federal bailout?

Depends on what rock bottom is

honest question, not rhetorical

If it just turns into a place with no economic prosperity because everyone moved away from the murder and taxes then it’ll just be a poor place no one wants to go to

but CA has massive ag and food exports, we do need it

They can still have that and hit rock bottom compared to what they are now

other states need CA and not for sillycon valley hornywood

as one who lives in the ag centrall of CA i can tell you it is tettering on the brink already

the ag industry will wall apart faster than the rest of the state

most ag people are local farmers barely in the black

it would be great if we could get more robots and AI to do the jobs that illegals do currently

imo

@amlam
Brankruptcy, default on obligations, cancellation of social support, etc.
@Clive
Like it or not, there is NOTHING CA exports that can't be obtained elsewhere. Indeed, if CA's farmers *stopped* exporting and left thier frilds fallow a few years, they would GREATLY expedite Sacramento's fall.

I cant see why the rest of the country wouldn't pick up the slack on food

But yeah

Cant just make California dissapear

I ultimately don’t care one way or the other about what happens to California. It largely doesn’t affect my life and as long as that’s true then I don’t care

LOL

Honestly yeah

This is why I like having states govern themselves. I’m happy to let California do whatever it wants to itself, good or bad. As long as I can vote in my state it doesn’t affect me

@Mandatory Carry many veggies (lettuce, spinach, avocados, artichokes) are grown primarily in Salinas valley and cannot be grown anywhere else in the states in sustainable numbers, save for Yuma AZ, but not as high numbers