Message from @Lord Zedd

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2019-07-06 00:52:08 UTC  

@Lord Zedd your still making an assumption that the worlds problems are owned by america

2019-07-06 00:52:23 UTC  

i didn't even say America

2019-07-06 00:52:32 UTC  

I wouldn't even pilot the idea there

2019-07-06 00:52:42 UTC  

but it'

2019-07-06 00:53:08 UTC  

s better to have trade partners than dependents seems like this is a way to potentially turn the latter into the former

2019-07-06 00:53:48 UTC  

Okay, sorry i was overly specific. Your assuming a stable countries owes it to a unstable country to improve their situation

2019-07-06 00:53:58 UTC  

no i'm not

2019-07-06 00:54:18 UTC  

I'm assuming that it's better for everyone to have more stable countries

2019-07-06 00:54:30 UTC  

less need for migration then

2019-07-06 00:54:34 UTC  

no need for aid

2019-07-06 00:54:40 UTC  

less need for military

2019-07-06 00:55:01 UTC  

It has never worked before

2019-07-06 00:55:17 UTC  

You dont think buying peace has been attempted

2019-07-06 00:55:26 UTC  

it's not buying peace

2019-07-06 00:55:53 UTC  

So whats in it for the stable country?

2019-07-06 00:55:56 UTC  

it's investing in the future of other countries and it has worked, it's an extension of the US' military philosophy

2019-07-06 00:56:03 UTC  

turn enemies into friends

2019-07-06 00:56:07 UTC  

Japan, Vietnam

2019-07-06 00:56:33 UTC  

You want to help the third world, stop farming subsidies

2019-07-06 00:57:53 UTC  

The west has kept the third world poor delibertly by protectionist policies that actually increase production costs

2019-07-06 00:58:06 UTC  

some western countries already implement the idea on a very small scale, I'm thinking it could be expanded on with a bit more quid pro quo involved

2019-07-06 00:58:26 UTC  

Japan wasnt cheap

2019-07-06 00:58:42 UTC  

Nor was vietnam

2019-07-06 00:58:52 UTC  

and that's why I'm suggesting here to stop that policy and treat them less like a work force and more like a potential trade partner

2019-07-06 00:59:07 UTC  

And vietnam still had to practically destroy itself before it relaxed policies

2019-07-06 00:59:31 UTC  

They arent a trade partner because they dont have anything we want

2019-07-06 00:59:47 UTC  

What does haiti have to offer the rest of the world

2019-07-06 01:00:21 UTC  

obviously it's not a panacea but it's a step in the right direction at least, it'll still ultimately fall on the countries themselves to take advantage of that opportunity

2019-07-06 01:00:47 UTC  

nothing at the moment because they're dead fucking poor

2019-07-06 01:01:19 UTC  

So why invest in a place that has nothing to return

2019-07-06 01:01:19 UTC  

it doesn't have to stay that way though

2019-07-06 01:01:39 UTC  

investments aren't for the immediate they are for the future

2019-07-06 01:02:11 UTC  

What can they offer in the future?

2019-07-06 01:02:40 UTC  

We already have people trying to scare us because automation will make labor obsolete

2019-07-06 01:04:52 UTC  

if they wanted a fast injection of cash they could have basically low businesses tax set themselves up as a tax haven and build from there, take that money build good infrastrcture and hotels turn the country into a tourism hotspot

2019-07-06 01:05:58 UTC  

Not really, their instability makes them high risk, noonne is going to do high risk low return investments. The return has to offset the risk

2019-07-06 01:06:39 UTC  

which is why you're training their next generation of accountants, politician, police etc

2019-07-06 01:07:37 UTC  

the west does that for their countries in exchange they agree to certain terms like freeing up their markets and keeping the crime rate low as possible etc

2019-07-06 01:08:00 UTC  

this is long term investment

2019-07-06 01:09:41 UTC  

better to help them feed themselves than deal with them at your doorstep

2019-07-06 01:11:12 UTC  

Haiti doesnt need accountants and police. Copenhagen consensus already outlined their prioritize. And guess what, it needs immunizations, micronutrients, healthcare. Things that will take them a generation before making accountants

http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/sites/default/files/haiti_priorise_outcome_en.pdf