Message from @Danacrag
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Imagine probably being a trans woman but thinking God exists and cares if you wear pink clothes or use nice smelling shampoo or use different pronouns
Yep
My "given role" sucked
We must carry our crosses.
The path to heaven isnt easy
I'd rather look cute than go to heaven
Am I even allowed to do bdsm in heaven? Doubt it
💤 boring
You'll look cuter in heaven tho
I wouldn't care in heaven though
No sex or drugs
I'm hell you will be twisted in the worst form imaginable
You will have happiness instead of pleasure
Brb
So let's say someone has a problem with their heart or another vital organ and needs surgery to fix it and improve their chances for survival. Or even if they have depression and need medication to help them find relief from it. Is it immoral to go through with the surgery or take the medication because you're rejecting the role you've been given, i.e. being unhealthy and miserable?
I'm curious to see where God draws the line with such things.
There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body so you can reject your expected role
Also I'm actually unsure about organ donations
Christians aren't really supposed to donate their organs
Which may imply receiving an organ is also immoral
Well, I do know that people of certain religious affiliations (I think Jehovah's Witnesses do this?) refuse to accept organ transplants because they think it's immoral
There is also something I find strange about having another's heart inside you. Often the heart of someone younger given to someone older.
It disturbs me
Anyway, how do we tell which things are illnesses and which are just expected roles? If your "expected role" is causing you distress (i.e. gender dysphoria), would it not make sense to treat it as a form of illness as well and try to mitigate it by changing the thing that's causing you distress in the first place? It seems to me that your argument could just as easily be applied to, for example, depressed people, as it could be said that being depressed is just their given role designated by their biology and that it's immoral to try to change that.
Suffering is caused by sin
The through suffer comes greater good
Even in treatment people suffer
It is good to show mercy to others
Do not be so one minded about this
Both punishment and salvation come from God
Suffering and elevation
How do you know this?
The words of saints
It seems highly faith-based
Isn't it possible that those saints could have just been lying or delusional or something?
Nope
Why not? Is it not true that all humans are fallible?
"There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body to reject a social role" what if I'm changing my body to treat gender dysphoria @Danacrag