Message from @Kelben

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2018-05-25 20:35:26 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428940051896860672/449671862289432587/defyer.jpg

2018-05-25 20:37:55 UTC  

Yeah, not in the mood to deal with that cancer

2018-05-25 20:38:25 UTC  

jesus christ

2018-05-25 20:38:26 UTC  

hang on, so should women not be whores? or have you fucked lots of women? @Webber

2018-05-25 20:39:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428940051896860672/449673007838003202/1688.gif

2018-05-25 20:40:08 UTC  

kill me

2018-05-25 20:46:19 UTC  

"Progressivism is the support for or advocacy of improvement of society by reform. "

2018-05-25 20:47:42 UTC  

what did I walk into?

2018-05-25 20:48:24 UTC  

"we've never experienced degeneracy" - said by the men who spent weeks carving perfect dicks into marble

2018-05-25 20:48:45 UTC  

my sides

2018-05-25 20:49:38 UTC  

The kumite

2018-05-25 20:49:51 UTC  

Seriously, what did I miss? because non of this makes sense

2018-05-25 20:55:32 UTC  

Enough degeneracy for today.

2018-05-25 21:05:42 UTC  

L8er

2018-05-25 22:04:29 UTC  
2018-05-27 07:43:42 UTC  

😃

2018-05-28 18:00:10 UTC  

@Kelben where does that come from

2018-05-28 19:17:42 UTC  

I made it

2018-05-28 19:20:04 UTC  

I wanted to have a hard copy of a lot of different ideas that were spinning around in my head, and I figured that if I was going to write them down anyway I might as well write it as if it were a constitutional amendment.

2018-05-28 19:20:49 UTC  

@FroggyC ^^^^^^^^^^^

2018-05-28 19:34:59 UTC  

Thanks

2018-05-28 19:35:25 UTC  

The quorum on referenda will make actually passing a referendum nigh impossible

2018-05-28 19:36:07 UTC  

we have the same system in my country

2018-05-28 19:36:31 UTC  

I also don't really understand why limiting the President's power to define his or her cabinet that much

2018-05-28 19:36:36 UTC  
2018-05-28 19:36:40 UTC  

It's interesting tho

2018-05-28 19:41:30 UTC  

Thanks, the reason I limited the President's ability to create a cabinet is described in the fourth paragraph of section 19. Basically I'm using the Cabinet as a check on the President's ability to use executive orders, and so I need the Cabinet to not be loyal to the President but instead to congress, and by extension the people of the United States.

2018-05-28 19:45:01 UTC  

And as for the referendums, I am curious about which restriction specifically you think will make them impossible to pass?

2018-05-28 19:45:37 UTC  

@FroggyC ^^^^^^

2018-05-28 20:53:37 UTC  

The quorum

2018-05-28 20:53:55 UTC  

Aka needing the vote of 50%+1 of voters

2018-05-28 20:54:04 UTC  

It makes abstention = a no vote

2018-05-28 20:54:16 UTC  

So who's against the referendum will campaign for just not voting

2018-05-28 20:55:34 UTC  

Since a sizeable percentage of the people always not vote, you will end up with the referendum not passing having a significant headstart

2018-05-28 20:56:37 UTC  

About the cabinet. I understand what you're saying but it still needs to be expression of a single political line.
You might need the nominations to have a confirmation by the Senate, but you can't ask the Senate to pick them. It also would break separation of powers, making executive positions dependent on the legislative branch.

2018-05-28 20:56:59 UTC  

Even parliamentary democracies don't have ministers appointed by the upper house. The houses just give confidence

2018-05-28 20:58:49 UTC  

@Kelben ^^^^

2018-05-28 20:59:23 UTC  

What I'm saying is that having a cabinet that doesn't express a single vision might make it impossible to work together at all

2018-05-28 21:29:24 UTC  

I expect the Cabinet will still represent a single vision, it will just be the vision of the leading coalition instead of the vision of the President. Because the new Electoral system would make everyone hyper aware of how fast their political career can end, and therefore it would eventually be considered political suicide to be an obstructionist unless you are absolutely sure that is what your base wants. The idea is that because nobody likes a government that can't get things done people will punish politicians who make that impossible.
And even if they don't this ability to check executive orders is the only power that the Cabinet as a whole has, the rest of the powers belong solely to individual Cabinet members and therefore they will likely get there individual jobs done regardless.
It would interfere with the separation of powers in the sense that the president would have a harder time passing legislation, but passing legislation is the job of the legislature anyway. As far as I see it the separation of powers has already broken down in the executives favor, this would just be correcting for that.
As for your point about the referendums, I agree that that may have been an over correction. The main thing I was worried about was a common occurrence in my state of Texas, here the state has to hold a referendum everytime it wants a constitutional amendment, which is often because of the way the Texas constitution is written, however because so few people vote in state elections they usually pass with only a few percentage points of the population in favor of them. But yeah like I said, in hindsight I may have over corrected for that problem.

2018-05-28 21:29:39 UTC  

@FroggyC ^^^^^