I think that's the belgians, we do make great cheese and beer though.

Guys

we did the microscope

People sometimes travel to get a different scope and culture, but to match your own culture you would do well to visit rural Wisconsin. Arguably the best beer in the USA comes from there. (I live a few hours from there and lived there for a time) and of course Wisconsin Cheese is the best in the country.

Even the Canadians have to tip their hat to Wisconsin beers.

I’ve been to the Netherlands, great place. Eat lots of bread though

Bread is great dough

@Ape, regarding your statement:

"EVERY single ideology that has existed before you existed as a claim of absolute moral and ethical truth based on a metaphysical interpretation of objective reality.
You are nothing more than a bunch of soyboy libtards who don't want feminists to come for your videogames
You have no real reason to beleive any of your values except it just so happens to stroke your ego and your political position right now, because it helps your "opinion"

That's weird, because I remember when I was arguing that liberalism is based on objective principles, you instead were arguing for a panentheistic, material god from whom no objective values could be generated.

It sounds like you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth.

@Benedict XVII hear, hear. But that's soyboy logic.

@Benedict XVII ur the only based person here

And actually no i wasnt.

My god is definitely knowable in qn objective way

Anyway ALL of you are cucks. Oh, things have gotten better, really? In a measurable way? Ok. And why do you value those things?

because they're better?

Yes

To you.

perhaps you would prefer to continue arguing with us on our official debate server

it is much better suited than this one https://discord.gg/McM2bdT

and is valuing something that is better than others legitimate?

I dont understand your question.

well you seem to have a problem with our values because "they're better than the alternatives" isn't "strong" or a "scientific truth"

but if it is true that it IS better than the alternatives, regardless of your issues with that sentiment, then is it not legitimate?

Well

How do you measure that its better?

General quality of life, level of education, peace, etc

civil liberties and rights as well

Would those be objectively better

Or just better in your opinion?

I think it is objectively better to be wealthier, more highly educated, living in a peaceful nation, with full civil rights and liberties

Well then your morality is objective dummy

I would agree, I personally believe in objective morality

But your the religuous one

If I remember.rifht

but let's take this to the debate server I linked, rather than here

I cant

Dont have permissions there

Also I want people to see ME ROAST you

I'll give you permissions

you do have permissions?

you have the correct role and everything

I'll check room permissions. Also, the debate server is just as public as this one. It will be our main debate server from now on