Like, in the olden days I would ad hominem the shit out of this, but let me just argue it backwards...

@Ape Because society has continually changed for the better since liberal views, principles, and laws have been introduced. Can you think of one thing that has gotten worse over time since the late 1600s/1700s? If anything humanity is leaping forward in almost every aspect. And the majority of the leaps come from Western Countries that were founded on 'liberal principles'. Not left or 'liberal democratic' or other such nonsense. But just simply basic liberal values of personal freedom... *SIMILAR* to what you see in the Liebralist Principles.

You're not going to get a liberalist to edgelord for you and say something nonsensical as a 'TRUTH' like you're looking for. Honestly you're giving me flashbacks to that Kraut bullshit. 'Truthiests pls respond.'

But still can't just answer the question... Name a principle you hold that you can provide objective evidence for? if you're demanding it of us, provide an example to follow, no?

He is probably going to make a video ranting how “pathetic “ we are or something.

You've missed a lot King.

God I can’t believe I used to watch him

Yes I have

I still do, I still will. Because he has some insights others don't. Still subbed to him as a matter of fact. He can call me a soyboy all he wants... I can't think of anything more ironic than a gay man accusing others of being 'soyboys' but oh well.

I for one hate soy

Why does the Alt Right or the far right care about us so much? Seems weird.

Anyone can take that as an ad hominem but I felt it needed to be stated... I'm a gun loving heterosexual whiskey and beer drinking cheeseburger eating red blooded American. But because I, and others like me, are in favor of rational political discussion you're a 'soyboy'. I said it to fog and others, the more people 'REEEEEEE' at Horsehoe theory the more they confirm it. 'If you don't agree with me you are a __'. Perfect.

Well im a pancake loving, maple syrup drinking, poutine eating Canadian so what do I know?

Move here and buy a gun.

Go full Crowder.

I might get arrested for gun smuggling if I did that lol

Well I meant stay, but yeah.

Poutine is a dish that by all accounts should have been invented in America. 'I don't think Gravy on Fries is enough cholesterol for me... Oh yeah, Cheese Curds.'

tbh I believe everything should have been invented in my country too

Hey you guys did Mayonnaise on French Fries, you're in time out.

I think that's the belgians, we do make great cheese and beer though.

Guys

we did the microscope

People sometimes travel to get a different scope and culture, but to match your own culture you would do well to visit rural Wisconsin. Arguably the best beer in the USA comes from there. (I live a few hours from there and lived there for a time) and of course Wisconsin Cheese is the best in the country.

Even the Canadians have to tip their hat to Wisconsin beers.

I’ve been to the Netherlands, great place. Eat lots of bread though

Bread is great dough

@Ape, regarding your statement:

"EVERY single ideology that has existed before you existed as a claim of absolute moral and ethical truth based on a metaphysical interpretation of objective reality.
You are nothing more than a bunch of soyboy libtards who don't want feminists to come for your videogames
You have no real reason to beleive any of your values except it just so happens to stroke your ego and your political position right now, because it helps your "opinion"

That's weird, because I remember when I was arguing that liberalism is based on objective principles, you instead were arguing for a panentheistic, material god from whom no objective values could be generated.

It sounds like you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth.

@Benedict XVII hear, hear. But that's soyboy logic.

@Benedict XVII ur the only based person here

And actually no i wasnt.

My god is definitely knowable in qn objective way

Anyway ALL of you are cucks. Oh, things have gotten better, really? In a measurable way? Ok. And why do you value those things?

because they're better?

Yes

To you.

perhaps you would prefer to continue arguing with us on our official debate server

it is much better suited than this one https://discord.gg/McM2bdT

and is valuing something that is better than others legitimate?

I dont understand your question.

well you seem to have a problem with our values because "they're better than the alternatives" isn't "strong" or a "scientific truth"