we decided to not go through any social media owners to have their group blown apart, and we also decided that we wouldn't be able to work with them so we decided to cut ties with them.

that meeting was recorded and sent to them as "proof" that we were on the attack and trying to destroy them.

so, after that in may i think is when they started banning members of the LIA out of the facebook group for various reasons, pretty much all of it was bullshit.

the president of the USA liberalist regional was banned because of his asscocation with us, and then ran through an appeals process where he had to prove he was reformed for any wrong doing, and wouldn't do it again. which took about 6 to 7 months to get a meh answer.

then jonathan wong stole the UK liberalist page on facebook because he had a page setup as an admin, booted off all of the admins from that page, didn't apologize when he got caught, all because he believed the leadership of LIB UK were going to throw him out of leadership of the group.

so that is the major reasons why the TLS LIA split happened.

sorry, that is a long list of events that happened last year, and we did our best to keep our mouths shut for the sake of the movement.

@Hatespeaker Sargon does all of that make sense?

Sorry I got distracted filing receipts. I'll be back in a few minutes.\

its cool dude.

Since that point we've basically just tried to let it be water off our back and keep swimming towards something worthwhile. We've built up a core of workers, put together a website, bi-weekly publication, and a youtube channel. We went to MythCon to help share information about the principles and various regional groups, and just last week we organized a small protest in Brussels against Articles 11 & 13. We also have some folks working with Lior Leser on the FTC complaint against PayPal.

We do what we can with what we've got (admittedly, not a lot) and keep pushing towards something better.

Well now that every bit of our dirty laundry is on display... @Hatespeaker Sargon We've sponsored MythCon and had people attend it to promote our principles, and several protests and meetups. Just staying warm through the winter across the Northern Hemisphere folks with some nice warm indoor projects for right now, getting our video/YouTube teams sorted, etc. Best to sum up the LIA/TLS thing as overly dramatic, and down to a difference in methodology. I might be biased but so far our methods have yielded very good results in terms of exposure and optics for the cause.

Ok, caught up.
Did you guys ever find out who "leaked" the chair meeting?

Not 100% sure, we have our suspcisions. But not sure of anything enough here to type out.

How were you familiar enough with us to make that birdbois > leaf fags thing? lol\

Just curious.

It's a phrase I heard from someone on twitter.

Ah ok. Weird. We try to let sleeping dogs lie, tbh. More important for us to focus on the work than the past drama.

Very much so the 'Hakuna Matata' mindset.

hello

whats going on here?

That's a fair mindset to have I think.

As for me, I'm basically just a memester who decided to take all the stupid accusations about Sargon (ie that he's a furry, that he has a cult, that he works at Applebees, etc) and roll them into a character to make fun of how silly they all are. That's where the moniker Hatespeaker came from - it's a label thrown on Sargon from some silly Vox article.

Beyond that I'm just a liberal centrist.

sounds good to me

No problem at all. Just be gentle. This server is organized as a 'work server' as we have come to know it. Designed for teams to coordinate and meet, share resources, etc.

Imagine a corporate office, if you will. No NSFW chat, etc. We even had to shift some of our open debate format to a server specialized for it with different rules.

If you're interested in volunteering for one of the teams, don't hesitate to reach out, and if you want to know more about our organizational structure and such you can hit me up directly. I'm the Chair of Volunteer Training and Organization.

And we have also interacted on twitter. 😉

Will do. I'm not sure what I could contribute to a coordinated political effort - I just draw pictures for a living, lol. But I'm happy to be part of it nonetheless.

lol, I'm always looking for graphic artists.

^

Oh for sure, if you are volunteering doodles... Whatever you can spare.

But at the same time we've also paid for some specific comissions and things, like our logo(s).

We're not just hobos.\

@Hatespeaker Sargon I'll dm you the specifics about the meetings, my dude.

👍

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1090495830124040193

an abortion.

no one will ever be able to shame me into changing my beliefs on that.