What was the TLS LIA split you mentioned? I am vaguely aware of it but i never learned the details

the split happened because the dude's who run the liberalist facebook page are a bunch of incompetent dickheads who were only concerned with riding sargon's coat tails rather than actually taking the principles and doing anything with them.

they were the shit heads that went on warski to debate david ceaderwood and JF.

Ah, I see.

Much as a pain as they've been, maybe we shouldn't lean so hard into the malice to someone who doesn't know the whole story

very true.

so, the warski live thing was the first major disagreement.

all of us were like, you probably shouldn't go on there, the liberalist movement isn't ready for primetime yet.

I don't think there's any amount of money I would go on Warski's show for

i imagine it's similar to rubbing 3-week old feces in your ears

The dudes running TLS were like, we got this and you guys can fuck off.

the about a month went by and there was a minor leak of one of our documents we were working on that got forwarded over to godwinson, some altright shit head that was hellbent on getting famous on BTFOing the entire thing, The TLS dudes lost their shit about it and used that as an excuse to with two of our chairs in tow to lock down the server to the public. and yes, i was one of the chairs that had a hand in the lockdown.

It was a mistake on my part.

and when we reopened the server to the public, the tls guys threw a fucking hissy fit over it.

then we come to major split.

while all of this was going, all of the chairs were working towards a unification with that group because it didn't make sense to have two competing groups splitting resources, but in may it was starting to become extremely apparent that that their leadership just wasn't going to listen to reason on anything, wasn't going to help sort out any difficulties of leadership for the movement itself, and was only wanting a cursory sort of connection with us to use our labor and efforts for themselves and they get all the credit.

there was an incident where the leadership of TLS threatened to cut off all ties with the USA liberalist regional group because they wouldn't just remove someone from who was an open and out member of Antifa who really hadn't broken the rules, they were just in the group. again the the TLS leadership worked themselves into a massive hissy fit.

so, while all of us here were trying to work through their shitfits and get work done, we had a discussion in one of our chair meetings about all of them and how do we handle it. we discussed what the problem was, their leadership, and available options to us on what we could do. there was talk about reporting their group to facebook, trying to have a conversation with all of them to air our greievances and work towards a resolution, or just cutting ties with them all together and out competing them.

we decided to not go through any social media owners to have their group blown apart, and we also decided that we wouldn't be able to work with them so we decided to cut ties with them.

that meeting was recorded and sent to them as "proof" that we were on the attack and trying to destroy them.

so, after that in may i think is when they started banning members of the LIA out of the facebook group for various reasons, pretty much all of it was bullshit.

the president of the USA liberalist regional was banned because of his asscocation with us, and then ran through an appeals process where he had to prove he was reformed for any wrong doing, and wouldn't do it again. which took about 6 to 7 months to get a meh answer.

then jonathan wong stole the UK liberalist page on facebook because he had a page setup as an admin, booted off all of the admins from that page, didn't apologize when he got caught, all because he believed the leadership of LIB UK were going to throw him out of leadership of the group.

so that is the major reasons why the TLS LIA split happened.

sorry, that is a long list of events that happened last year, and we did our best to keep our mouths shut for the sake of the movement.

@Hatespeaker Sargon does all of that make sense?

Sorry I got distracted filing receipts. I'll be back in a few minutes.\

its cool dude.

Since that point we've basically just tried to let it be water off our back and keep swimming towards something worthwhile. We've built up a core of workers, put together a website, bi-weekly publication, and a youtube channel. We went to MythCon to help share information about the principles and various regional groups, and just last week we organized a small protest in Brussels against Articles 11 & 13. We also have some folks working with Lior Leser on the FTC complaint against PayPal.

We do what we can with what we've got (admittedly, not a lot) and keep pushing towards something better.

Well now that every bit of our dirty laundry is on display... @Hatespeaker Sargon We've sponsored MythCon and had people attend it to promote our principles, and several protests and meetups. Just staying warm through the winter across the Northern Hemisphere folks with some nice warm indoor projects for right now, getting our video/YouTube teams sorted, etc. Best to sum up the LIA/TLS thing as overly dramatic, and down to a difference in methodology. I might be biased but so far our methods have yielded very good results in terms of exposure and optics for the cause.

Ok, caught up.
Did you guys ever find out who "leaked" the chair meeting?

Not 100% sure, we have our suspcisions. But not sure of anything enough here to type out.

How were you familiar enough with us to make that birdbois > leaf fags thing? lol\

Just curious.

It's a phrase I heard from someone on twitter.

Ah ok. Weird. We try to let sleeping dogs lie, tbh. More important for us to focus on the work than the past drama.

Very much so the 'Hakuna Matata' mindset.

hello

whats going on here?

That's a fair mindset to have I think.

As for me, I'm basically just a memester who decided to take all the stupid accusations about Sargon (ie that he's a furry, that he has a cult, that he works at Applebees, etc) and roll them into a character to make fun of how silly they all are. That's where the moniker Hatespeaker came from - it's a label thrown on Sargon from some silly Vox article.

Beyond that I'm just a liberal centrist.