Message from @windmill man

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2018-12-29 11:39:00 UTC  

it is done automatically

2018-12-29 11:39:16 UTC  

sure

2018-12-29 11:39:47 UTC  

but thinking just denotes awareness of my internal processes

2018-12-29 11:40:07 UTC  

my point is, that as soon as you become aware of your internal processes you can change them

2018-12-29 11:40:12 UTC  

People can breath in 2 ways

2018-12-29 11:40:26 UTC  

either through your belly or through your chest

2018-12-29 11:40:41 UTC  

except you cant just "change them"

2018-12-29 11:40:46 UTC  

If you move your hand on your chest and take a deep breath you will after that automatically keep breathing through your chest and visa verca

2018-12-29 11:40:48 UTC  

you can try it

2018-12-29 11:41:15 UTC  

if there is a change is was predetermined by previous stimuli

2018-12-29 11:41:24 UTC  

What previous stimuli?

2018-12-29 11:41:33 UTC  

any and all

2018-12-29 11:41:55 UTC  

But isn't that the base of science

2018-12-29 11:42:00 UTC  

That everything has a reason for it

2018-12-29 11:42:21 UTC  

People always act out of reason unless they have a mental disease, does that mean you do not have free will?

2018-12-29 11:43:29 UTC  

those with mental diseases still act based on a previous reason

2018-12-29 11:43:39 UTC  

Alright, sure

2018-12-29 11:43:49 UTC  

So everyone acts out of reason

2018-12-29 11:43:57 UTC  

Does that mean nobody has free will?

2018-12-29 11:44:01 UTC  

lets clearly define reason

2018-12-29 11:44:02 UTC  

Because they go for the best choice?

2018-12-29 11:44:17 UTC  

reason as in the intial cause responsible for consequential effects

2018-12-29 11:44:26 UTC  

the cause of an event or situation or something that provides an excuse or explanation:

2018-12-29 11:44:32 UTC  

"best choice" is just a normative claim

2018-12-29 11:44:41 UTC  

Yes, because it is subjective

2018-12-29 11:44:46 UTC  

its just that they act in relation to previous causes

2018-12-29 11:45:16 UTC  

i dont want to talk past you here

2018-12-29 11:45:35 UTC  

trust me your not

2018-12-29 11:45:36 UTC  

Is " act in relation to previous causes" the same as reasoning your actions here ?

2018-12-29 11:45:53 UTC  

no it isnt

2018-12-29 11:45:57 UTC  

How?

2018-12-29 11:46:04 UTC  

actually since mug and venus seems to be done

2018-12-29 11:46:36 UTC  

lets talk in vc

2018-12-29 11:46:41 UTC  

u heard my internet

2018-12-29 11:46:42 UTC  

u sure?

2018-12-29 11:46:49 UTC  

oh true

2018-12-29 11:47:08 UTC  

for me its much easier to talk in chat since it also makes it easier to read your points/arguments

2018-12-29 11:47:40 UTC  

i see, i just dislike it cause its takes more effort for me to type something out

2018-12-29 11:47:54 UTC  

alright sure we can go to philosophy if you want

2018-12-29 12:35:46 UTC  

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