what is it a basis of?

im saying that civilizations never existed without the company of a state

its not they existed for very long

yeah so?

but cant things change?

its that no alternatives have ever existed

but youre dealing in absolutes

cant the sun start rotating around the earth?

see how absurd it is to make the statement "cant things change"

no, but thats bound by the laws of physics, not because the sun *always rotated around the earth*

basing an argument on absolutes is simply dogma

White supremacy

laws of physics are descriptive of observable patterns not prescriptive

so actually yes

it would be the latter

no?

yes

laws of physics or just all scientific laws are descriptive of observable patterns

yeah so?

thats literally how science works

whats your point?

can you say with certainty that the sun will always rotate around the earth?

so you would be incorrect in saying observation cant be used as a metric by which we judge possibility

but again even by the metric of observation, especially negatives, a lot of arguments have been disproved

yes

but still by that metric

what we see here is the coupling of civilization to state is an observable pattern

and we cann see why

civilizations requires order

saying "ancom will never exist because throughout all history, states have been with civilizations" is like saying
"men will never go to the moon because through all history men have never left the atmosphere"

order requires the threat and capability of violence

says who?

and that violence needs to be organized

says who?

yeah

Precedent

> order requires the threat and capability of violence
says who

as @..... said

but i can disprove it right now

Precedent

i dont need violence to get some kids in a classroom to behave