I haven't seen convincing evidence of an extraterrestrial presence near Earth or in our solar system. But I don't rule it out.

first succsful (spel) cesium test for nanotech

@HyperBaroque what about the men that were stationed in the us missile launch sites during the nuke race with russia that allegedly have more than 100 sightings of space crafts during their time there? Actual visits and interference with the electronics of those sites...

They could have been told to say that.

@yourLORD Not only could those missilemen been commanded or paid to say those things to serve some agenda, but, also, any person's testimony in any capacity as to sightings or close encounters doesn't converge with my own experience at any point (not even approaching infinity).

As I said: I haven't seen convincing evidence of an extraterrestrial presence near Earth or in our solar system. But I don't rule it out.

How could we even interact with another alien species though? I imagine this because we can't communicate with any other living species on the planet without just teaching it to do shit for us like dogs. But, I get that if aliens were to come here at all they would have to have some sort of direction as we do (like our idea of progress with technology and exploration) but it's really hard to imagine that another planet with completely unheard of circumstances compared to our planet created beings that do very similar things as us. I don't think it's impossible, it just seems unlikely that if there were any, that they'd be close enough to get here in any timely manner for them to be able to be motivated to come here for any selfish reason.

I don't rule out the possibility of this happening, and I really would like it to be the case, but idk, man

How would we interact

Depends on what form and how they come

What they look like what their capable of

The film "The Arrival" tackles this subject pretty well imho. The scientists have to figure out how to form a shared basis for communication with a vastly different e.t. species.

The book "The Ambidextrous Universe" attempts to tackle this problem as well.

Whoa that sounds cool. I'll probably look into it, I've never heard any solution to that at all; even a bad one

In The Ambidextrous Universe, it is concluded that a certain isotope of cobalt can be used because it always emits electrons from one pole relative to its spin.

From this you can say "in", "out", "left", "right", "up", "down", etc. and from basic 3 dimensional descriptions build up the rest of a shared language.

*a certain isotope of cobalt always emits *more* electrons from one pole than the other, relative to spin

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I agree that it seems very improbable any E.T. would have [any] reason to come to this part of the galaxy. The only reason I can think of would be if they had been here before, or had discovered life here by accident, either originating here or having passed by looking for some kind of resource, or maybe having sent a probe through the area.

Yeah, that makes it seem more likely imo with them originating life here. I think I'll actually look into getting that book.

regarding like interaction the catch 22 though is like if aliens are sophisticated enough to actually get here be it different dimention or from.a few light years away, like they will be so far advanced past us other than a direct interest in our cukture and our ways they like dnt technically need to interact with us for very much if at all.

The book only touches on the talking with e.t. thought experiment cery briefly. Overall the book is about things like symmetry, chirality, handedness, convention, that sort of thing. It covers subjects from the micro to macroscopic, including galactic scale and universal scale, and in later editions I believe some subjects in quantum physics.

<:GWmythicalThonkCool:367331557100224522> well that still seems interesting, though

@darth_brando It may depend on the E.T. culture or even individual E.T. specimen. For instance, in some human cultures, we interact with some animals in an emotional way and treat them as having personalities. And some of us show more curiosity in this regard than others. There are people who ignore everything about, say, gorillas other than their fur and other exploitable taxidermy. And then there are the Jane Goodall types.

Meanwhile in other cultures, animals are just seen as brutal. They are nothing but food, or labor, or a nuisance.

@HyperBaroque well the problem with androgenous equivalance of identifiability with animals is we strictly only do this with domesticated animals.

so if ET comes over an tries that like well idk ya dnt wanna end up in the alien zoo like in twilight zone.

um

i mean like sure native americans had reverance for animals but like we dnt do that to nearly same degree today cept for our own pets

So ... are we supposed to project only certain facets of a certain subset of all our human cultures from only a narrow time interval on E.T.'s everywhere? Not sure what we gain by that.

what i mean is like humans dont equally identify with lesser animals at all unless they are the literal goodall conservationist types or the animal is their pet.

and that if ET does the bit of conferring equal identity the possibility exists that its part of a domestication tactic.

How does that reflect back on the probability of E.T. visiting this corner of the galaxy?

Oh I see. You are saying, no matter what, if they can make it here, then they either have no interest in us as a species or their interests are bad.

But, that doesn't clear up the probability of them interacting with us if they were here.

well not entirely if they come here to guinely learn bout us thats pretty benign n not too bad

but yea most other reasons we end up as servants or livestocl if they dnt jus exterminate us thinking we are pests

I think what's more likely is that aliens or entienties from other realities are interacting with our reality

well yea i mean even religion goes over that in some aspects and very often. like even in christian sense god created the universe, and heaven and hell are both defined openly as different planes/realms.

@darth_brando Do you ever think about that hermetic principle, "as above, so below," when talking about heaven and hell?

well

i mean, theres good reason too

how does suck a diverse human, come from nothing but thin air?

with such a complex body, so many bones, internal organs, your brain, very fine detail down to the atom

you cant just think it all came from thin air