Hey, all.

Glad to see an active conspiracy server.

Some flat earthers believe the plane of Earth goes on potebtially forever.

In college a friend of mine said he believes the earth is a plane with no boundaries, and after an hour or so of confusion I asked him to draw it, and he drew a sphere, it was a gag.

Hi, I'm new here, and not trying to interrupt the debate. It just seems like it has taken a lull.

I suggest that for a good civil debate, you should try to find an impartial 3rd party who will observe and enforce some form of protocol. Not offering myself, just offering a suggestion.

ISS is too close to show one way or the other.

I entertained flat earth ideas for awhile as a thought experiment. I can see someone believing it wholeheartedly. I don't see any reason to debate it, because empirical evidence one way or the other is hard to come by, and also I see no real harm in believing earth is flat. Especially since I believe they're ultimately wrong.

True about gravity being a (working) theory.

Engineers still use even rough constants for force of gravity, such as just simply 9.8m/s^2 , and get things done. So even though gravity is "just" a theory, it is a working one.

Even the electron itself is just a theory, one can't really prove the existence of an electron in a final, ultimate way. You can infer an electron's presence, though, and use that inference to get predictable results out of everything from conductive materials, to chemistry, to color applications.

@DrPeper i got the joke

Is the discussion here usually about flat earth?

I mean, I do consider flat earth a validly discoursible conspiracy. I just don't consider it good debate because I can't be convinced the earth is flat, and I've already been in to the hilt with all the flat earther tactics, so for me it's only really worthwhile when the flat earther crowd comes up with a new one.

I do like some of the side discussions that come up. Especially about questioning the completeness of theories about electromagnetism (especially concerning Earth's magnetosphere), gravity, and light physics.

If we don't question the theory of gravity, for instance, we'll never dismantle it and improve on it towards unifying it with other theories.

I mainly came here to see if anybody has listened to the recent Conspiracy Unlimited podcast about Paul Is Dead.

https://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=58659555&refid=asa

Gas content of the atmosphere, Gwench.

Basically, our atmosphere isn't glass?

What happens when the sun hits our atmosphere , according to some recent theories, is more like the energizing of a plasma field than the passing of light through a perfect glass medium.

I agree that Earth atmospheric science is still too sketchy.

Some neat theories, such as one that says the magnetic fields of Earth and Sun are interlinked in a somewhat lifelike manner, with them "breathing" energy back and forth, get shoved aside and labeled "fringe". And long held veliefs such as that the ozone hole has repaired itself are being overthrown. So I consider a lot of atmospheric science to be in disarray.

<@484198784901840897> moving lines of flux, basically.

Flux is just the observable lines of electromagnetic force.

Again, this is debatable down to the point where we can question electromagnetism itself, of course.

I just think that a theory positing a more dynamic and interactive relationship between the Earth's and Sun's magnetospheres seems worthwhile scientifically (whether or not new agers latch on because it sounds cool,) and it's sort of a shame is gets treated as bunk and not looked at at all by people who want everything to be simplified and deadened.

Skepticism is great and all but it can become a cult like entity.

Typically, Gwench, yes.

And "science" can easily become too tightly adhered to as doctrinal instead of exploratory, and thereby become a replacement religion.

(Which of course kills science.)

@The Gwench exactly.

Which is why I see no harm in flat earth belief. If anything, it provides exactly the shake-up that the scientific establishments are sorely in need of.

Heh, that's easy. Please, sit in this chair nd place these electrodes on your scalp.

I am willing to believe that if the universe is a simulation, then for some of us the Earth really truly is flat, for others it is a globe, and the only data and communication the simulation allows across is that which can't interfere with that [experience / perception] either way.

spoiler: it is next to impossible, @Sofuto Ando Wetto

I have. In L.A.

Not really high, maybe 60 feet.

You can see the scrapers of the nearby city, about what ... 14 miles away, like big black silhouettes.

They look like some kind of artefact. It's a really pleasant, scifi like experience.

Hollow Moon is a fun theory, too, guys.

guys/girls

guys/girls/specimens

I dunno, I am new.

I believe in heaven there is so much sex of different kinds, and probably a lot of gay sex.

<@484198784901840897> I just figure by the time everyone is dead there's no need for petty "rules" and God is just like, hey, do what you will. Have at. And nobody really cares because it's all in good fun.

I'm willing to hedge on the Earth being an oblate tetrahedron.

<@484198784901840897> sweeeet

The only way
To get not Gay
Is pray errday
The Gay away

The only cure for furry is lots of furry sex until they get all the kinks worked out.

@Bubbles

two words: UFO Illuminati

ah ive been discovered

Is there a channel for posting cool music videos

@Bubbles are you comfortable with being a homosexual?

I mean, is it something you accept about yourself?

So what conspiracy are we going to talk about?

@Citizen Z thanks

https://youtu.be/Wy0UoMMkdkM

I mean we can talk about the gay agenda but I believe it's mostly a result of such a large portion of the population repressing non-heterosexuals for such a long time, that many of them feel a need to exaggerate their numbers and importance to counteract that, something that gets amplified by as Seecooty mentioned, bullying.

I think it's mostly harmless and goes away with acceptance.

Not really a conspiracy so much as just a cultural byproduct. Maybe some people saw it happening, and co-opted it, but that's just more devious politics than conspiracy.

@The Gwench I think using cells from aborted babies is gross as hell.

I'm pro choice but please, let's exercise some simple restraint.

Ugh

I think such late term abortions are hideous to even suggest.

A mother should know well before then whether or not she wants to have a child.

I am kind of weirded out by abortions past 3 months that aren't medically required.

Like what are they doing, growing babies for research?

Ah, I kinda draw the line at evil. Sick and weird, maybe. Definitely demands some explanation.

Ah, I see. It's Satan.

O.K.

inb4 Molloch: the idea that Molloch worshippers are sacrificing babies is an old antisemitic myth btw

oh here we are

o.k.

what's the tag on this server for mods?

so many colors, hard to guess who mods are.

gotcha

@Bubbles hopefully you don't get bullied for being gay. i posted a video in <#484515645258596369> to help you feel better.

@nerd I'm willing to meet at a middle ground of the Earth being an oblate tetrahedron.

Two vertices at the poles, three at equidistant points around the equator, and the sides bulging out.

Err, one at one of the poles

Three arpund the globe

I dunno

Well if the sides bulge a *lot* ...

Tetrahedron is the smallest number of vertices and faces to enclose a sphere in a geodesic form so I'm willing to go that far.

Why believe in a theory?

How would believing in a theory help anybody do anything...

I mean if I was solving some engineering problem I would use a vector pointed toward the nearest presumed center of gravity with a scalar of 9.8m/s^2 , doesn't mean I "believe in" something, it's just practical application of observable phenomena.

So it will be kinda hard to trip me up on that point.

*center of Earth gravity, or 1G

If I had some rrason to believe I was working with variable G forces and multiple bodies I would hope a computer was doing the math?

I'm passingly familiar with gravitational anomalies.

I am willing to allow there might be a singularity at the core of the Earth.

And of course completely willing to cede to hollow earth theories due to that.

I would want to know where magma comes from in that case though.

I think gravitational and magnetic anomalies might be interrelated somehow. We're lacking a unifying theory of physics for that atm sadly.

I think if we really put in the work, we could find a best fit for a tetrahedral model of earth, 4 equidistant points between which some observable surface features suggest bulging faces, and at which points some subsurface features suggest some correlating fracturing or something.

yeah np Citizen Z

Does anybody here think any particular conspiracy theories might be side effects of MK Ultra?

the big talk in conspiracy theory communities seems to be a bit swamped with race supremism and race nationalism. i think catching people up in racial divisiveness is a conspiracy.