And there's where I and socialists differ, how do you get as many people into the higher classes

>end of class struggle

lmao

People do not become happy because they have a lot of wealth, they become happy when there is upwards mobility.
Good grounds on to not spoil your children when they're young, it handicaps them in a way I think

I agree just don't think communism would fix it

neither do all forms of socialism because foreigners fuck that up every time

Then again, any form of government can work if it's authoritarian enough. libertarianism is worst.

guys

get in the discord

im bored

as fuck

get in marxist talks

ye little nigres

authoritarian and totalitarian however

A welfare state with open borders is the dumbest idea of all, it always attracts the least productive immigrants, and who can blame them?

Immigration was very good for countries when the social safety net was limited, because it meant they came with one reason only: to work their way to the middle or top

Yep, but them programs thoooo

oh yeah massively successful in decreasing poverty(not)

Read up on what a success the war on poverty was

Hol up lemme take a guess

not at all

As with most social policies

Now I'm not against a safety net, but not as much as they are now

How about a state that pays for certain utilities

Which utilities?

such as water and heating

I'm not for privatizing such common and essential goods

The environment is a crucial issue most libertarians gloss over

how about electric heating?

Less so, i'm more for subsidizing people to create their own green energy and reduce what my country has now, the subsidizing to make it affordable

We had a program which subsidized solar panels, don't mind that really

solar panels are quite impractical

geothermal is niche

they're getting better and better

And everyone has a roof basically

yes, but they are expensive and there is limited graphite

it's almost a waste of money

solar panels were a great idea, but the output just isn't enough for what it's worth

They also get less expensive, that's why I was against doing it 10 years ago, the technology was not great and you hardly made a profit, especially if you bought one 3 years ago, you saved good money

Now there's always the question when do you decide to get them, maybe they'll be even better 5 years later but from what I know they can get a lot of energy right now

solar panels are not a practical means to solve the energy problem because they don't pay for themselves quick enough, and that there isn't nearly enough materials to manufacture them on this planet to suit the needs of the masses