synonymous with "western degenerate"

Being a part of a group of people is different from a government

I don't think being libertarian means you're refusing to be part of a dominant group, just that that group shouldn't to an extreme extent impose its will on you, as I feel the current government has or in on the road towards

plus i'm not particularly against there being different classes, if the possibility is there for you to progress towards a higher class it's good.

And there's where I and socialists differ, how do you get as many people into the higher classes

>end of class struggle

lmao

People do not become happy because they have a lot of wealth, they become happy when there is upwards mobility.
Good grounds on to not spoil your children when they're young, it handicaps them in a way I think

I agree just don't think communism would fix it

neither do all forms of socialism because foreigners fuck that up every time

Then again, any form of government can work if it's authoritarian enough. libertarianism is worst.

guys

get in the discord

im bored

as fuck

get in marxist talks

ye little nigres

authoritarian and totalitarian however

A welfare state with open borders is the dumbest idea of all, it always attracts the least productive immigrants, and who can blame them?

Immigration was very good for countries when the social safety net was limited, because it meant they came with one reason only: to work their way to the middle or top

Yep, but them programs thoooo

oh yeah massively successful in decreasing poverty(not)

Read up on what a success the war on poverty was

Hol up lemme take a guess

not at all

As with most social policies

Now I'm not against a safety net, but not as much as they are now

How about a state that pays for certain utilities

Which utilities?

such as water and heating

I'm not for privatizing such common and essential goods

The environment is a crucial issue most libertarians gloss over

how about electric heating?

Less so, i'm more for subsidizing people to create their own green energy and reduce what my country has now, the subsidizing to make it affordable

We had a program which subsidized solar panels, don't mind that really

solar panels are quite impractical

geothermal is niche

they're getting better and better

And everyone has a roof basically

yes, but they are expensive and there is limited graphite

it's almost a waste of money