Message from @Firefly
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@Firefly Thanks.
@Firefly but the USSR didn’t disagree with it or else the vast number of citizens who wanted to leave would’ve been able to
@Firefly so even if you personally disagree with a movement restriction policy, no communist country in modern history has been able to exist without tyrannically ruling over its citizens. Are you telling me you’ve found the secret to utopia that all communist leaders, and even thinkers like Marx and Hegel, have missed all these years?
@koifish Right now there is no movement restriction and everybody left post-USSR countries while they been capitalist.
It damaged development of this countries greatly
@Firefly yeah because all the countries were in financial ruin after the USSR collapsed, not because of some failure of capitalism
If you don’t mind me asking, where do you live currently
Almost all countries in the former Soviet Union after the government failed @Firefly
I give you a tip. The same place Ukraine been before USSR.
@Firefly Ukraine is one example. Lithuania has risen in past decades. But there’s a lot more in these countries’ individual histories than just their time in the Soviet Union. It’s not like Ukraine has had a continuous mass exodus since the 1980’s, the exodus has ended. It started when the Soviet Union collapsed /because/ the Soviet Union collapsed
Everybody left Lithuania
There is no young people
And future
@Firefly slightly but yeah. And seems like the USSR should’ve taken better care of its citizens if their collapse left such a mess
And more people leave now than ever because of internal extremism. It’s not been a constant stream of people leaving since the 1980’s, this uptick has been recent
@Firefly what country do you live in currently? Also yeah their economy is a disaster because they haven’t recovered from the collapse of the USSR. If they never tried communism in the first place they’d have been a lot better off
They had nothing before USSR
Wastelands
They had entitlement to their own wealth and intellectual property, which is what has led the United States to become the most abundant society in world history
They had no wealth
Opportunity and incentive to create wealth, even abundant wealth, is what every communist and majority socialist society lacks
Awesome, you agreed on zero facts present to you and just pushing propaganda.
I have no time on this.
Good luck
Well you never really answered where you live now, so it’s a little hard to form any points when I can’t make them familiar to you because i have no idea what your culture is
Also it’s not propaganda to believe there’s no opportunity to create wealth in a communist society. You get more reward for becoming a doctor in a capitalist country than a communist country, and if you don’t agree with that basic truth you’re the one who doesn’t believe in facts
People should congregate on race rather than class
People can congregate on whatever they want as long as they pledge allegiance to the nation and culture they’re a citizen of in a free society
Ethno-state is the way too go
Agreed with koifish
Why kokamoe
There’s no point
Yeah, maybe by ingroup outgroup rules, people of certain races work together better
But as a country it doesn’t matter 🤔
@NightTerror6 it’s because kokamoe is an Alinskyite who believes, as alisnky wrote in his book Rules for Radicals, that balkanizing a country’s people is a way to restructure society to become more collective