Message from @Shada

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2018-02-06 04:40:17 UTC  

before killing himself

2018-02-06 04:40:25 UTC  

just to destroy

2018-02-06 04:40:30 UTC  

because he lost a case

2018-02-06 04:40:44 UTC  

Again, these are Other Problems

2018-02-06 04:40:55 UTC  

That should be addressed on their own

2018-02-06 04:41:01 UTC  

true

2018-02-06 04:42:14 UTC  

Also, if you change the prison system to something like Norway's you'll have even less problems with people trying to escape

2018-02-06 04:43:15 UTC  

idk people should be tortured if the crime is heinous enough (ok this part is saracasm)

2018-02-06 04:43:42 UTC  

i mean a system based off recovery does make sense

2018-02-06 04:43:51 UTC  

i think the problem here lies not with the punishment itself

2018-02-06 04:43:59 UTC  

but with people who want that criminal to pay

2018-02-06 04:44:33 UTC  

Honestly the problem lies with why the person did what they did, and the worse the crime they do the more we should be trying to figure out why so we can make sure it doesn't happen again

2018-02-06 04:44:47 UTC  

sometimes theres nothing

2018-02-06 04:44:50 UTC  

which is horifying

2018-02-06 04:45:52 UTC  

Alternatively, that's the easy answer we tell ourselves to try and stave off the idea that we're all one sufficiently and specifically bad day away from doing terrible things

2018-02-06 04:46:24 UTC  

And we just haven't found out the real reason because people are hard to figure out

2018-02-06 04:46:51 UTC  

the reason i say its impossible is because were all one bad day away because it could be ANYONE

2018-02-06 04:47:05 UTC  

your mom your brother your neighbor your cousin a stranger

2018-02-06 04:47:08 UTC  

you get my point

2018-02-06 04:48:20 UTC  

... actually, you know what, I disagree with what I just said. Because I just remembered that humans are really bad at realizing that problems build over time

2018-02-06 04:48:41 UTC  

You don't realize how stressed you are till you are yelling, after all

2018-02-06 04:50:14 UTC  

yes but what about those who do it for fun

2018-02-06 04:50:19 UTC  

people are multiple entities

2018-02-06 04:50:24 UTC  

who do things for multiple reasons

2018-02-06 04:50:38 UTC  

I didn't say this was easy

2018-02-06 04:50:49 UTC  

i want zero percent crime rate

2018-02-06 04:50:50 UTC  

I'm saying its inherently worth it

2018-02-06 04:52:02 UTC  

Punishment doesn't work, psychology has worked when we have applied it after studying what we need to.

2018-02-06 04:52:10 UTC  

Sociology works too

2018-02-06 04:52:41 UTC  

We might find out in the search that its impossible to get a 0% crime rate, but if we do find that out we can find out what the next best thing is

2018-02-06 04:52:44 UTC  

punishment makes us feel good

2018-02-06 04:52:51 UTC  

it makes us get to have justice

2018-02-06 04:53:10 UTC  

What is justice but making sure a crime won't be committed again?

2018-02-06 04:53:43 UTC  

sometimes justice is mob rule and vengeance ya know why police frame people

2018-02-06 04:53:45 UTC  

vengence

2018-02-06 04:53:56 UTC  

they see they did something bad so they frame them for something else

2018-02-06 04:54:28 UTC  

people inheriently go for vengence

2018-02-06 04:54:39 UTC  

because to us it seems correct to rape the rapist or kill the killer

2018-02-06 04:54:52 UTC  

were a scary species

2018-02-06 04:56:57 UTC  

I agree we're a scary species. I agree we desire vengeance on an almost primal level. I disagree that its something we should allow, or even that we should want it.

2018-02-06 04:57:14 UTC  

What is vengeance but a world full of blind people