Look, give the Nazis Mars. Just don't give them the means to live on Mars.

Or let them take it with them

@Deleted User I expect them to die of asphyxiation because they were too dumb to read the fine print after hearing they were finally gonna get their precious ethnostate

Alright fine: I expect society to collapse soon after the first leader dies.

ahem, their society

But the Mad Max kind of Anarchy

The kind where everything is fucked and everyone's gonna die of dehydration

Well it would mean that with a bit less work we could teraform it and make it suitable for farming and such

Course with less work than that we could just build greenhouses

Are you?

Cause you've posted a ton of random shit

_shrugs and blocks_

I block when it becomes obvious they aren't really talking with me

If there's another reason then of course I don't but if I don't give a shit I don't give a shit

Fair nuff man

The insight I've found is that they tend to do it to affirm their own positions. Because people on the other side getting mad means the other side loses, right?

(Hint: Its not right)

Oh boy

Gimme a sec, this might take time

So I think the best way to describe my idea of what government should be and its place in society (and boy have I erased what I was writing a few times to try and say this right) is the institution makes sure Society functions. Society, meanwhile, I think is the systems Humanity creates to attempt to better human life, even if their real intent is hijacked. Therefore, a Government's place in my mind is one that protects the freedoms of others (reminder that Freedom ends just before your fist hits my nose and punching at me without hitting me is still a dick move) and provides the conditions for society to flourish.

I also believe that a government that does not have the direct support of the people does not have a place in society.

That's an understatement

I am basically as anti-authoritarian as you can be without being outright Anarchist

Its a last resort if ever

Godzilla threshold has to have been crossed and it should only exist long enough to deal with the problem

Decisively and swiftly

Civil war is a messy thing

and an awful one

What's you guy's thoughts on Prescriptive Morality?

Basically think of it this way: A person (usually at the least) has the right not to die

Proscriptive Morality says not killing that person is enough to be moral based on that piece of morality
Prescriptive Morality means that in order to be moral if you know something is gonna kill someone you need to do something about it

I agree kinda, but not for the reason you gave and I think there's something we should be doing before we just start killing people, namely that the psychologists should get to study the minds of the truly fucked up criminals (psychopaths, child rapists, etc)

Because if we can learn what's wrong with their heads we can MAYBE fix it

agreed

But some are and in unique ways that should be studied

Being researched by psychologists should be an indefinite stay of execution

If they escape we're doing something wrong

Yeah but its pretty fucking hard these days and only getting harder

I think the problem there is that you have a tank

Which is another problem all together

Like yeah, you can always make bathtub c4 or whatever

But not every pedophile or rapist or serial killer is gonna have a buddy who knows how to

Again, these are Other Problems

That should be addressed on their own

Also, if you change the prison system to something like Norway's you'll have even less problems with people trying to escape

Honestly the problem lies with why the person did what they did, and the worse the crime they do the more we should be trying to figure out why so we can make sure it doesn't happen again

Alternatively, that's the easy answer we tell ourselves to try and stave off the idea that we're all one sufficiently and specifically bad day away from doing terrible things

And we just haven't found out the real reason because people are hard to figure out

... actually, you know what, I disagree with what I just said. Because I just remembered that humans are really bad at realizing that problems build over time

You don't realize how stressed you are till you are yelling, after all

I didn't say this was easy

I'm saying its inherently worth it

Punishment doesn't work, psychology has worked when we have applied it after studying what we need to.

Sociology works too

We might find out in the search that its impossible to get a 0% crime rate, but if we do find that out we can find out what the next best thing is

What is justice but making sure a crime won't be committed again?

I agree we're a scary species. I agree we desire vengeance on an almost primal level. I disagree that its something we should allow, or even that we should want it.

What is vengeance but a world full of blind people

I'm more of a "repay your debt to society" type person, but I actually mean that.

If a person is always gonna be violent/a rapist/whatever just lock them up and study them

That at least helps society

of course

refuse what exactly?

ah, being studied

Yeah, no human rights violations other than arguably their lost right to freedom of travel/movement

Yeah, if they go berserk and the tasers aren't working I won't shed a tear if they get shot

Who?

what, conspiracy theory memes?

I try not to in general

Its a conspiracy theory about calling someone a mass killer

Of course its shady

As an American I am scared shittless at how many guns there are in America

I speak for me

I also have the right to say that I think our society would be objectively better if we didn't have so many guns

Fun fact: There are 101 guns per human being in America

**WHY**

_owns a hammer_

Nice brass mallet I made myself

If people suddenly start killing double digits of people with hatchets? Yes

gee thanks for strawmanning me

yeah, fuck this shit I'm out