Sociology works too

We might find out in the search that its impossible to get a 0% crime rate, but if we do find that out we can find out what the next best thing is

punishment makes us feel good

it makes us get to have justice

What is justice but making sure a crime won't be committed again?

sometimes justice is mob rule and vengeance ya know why police frame people

vengence

they see they did something bad so they frame them for something else

people inheriently go for vengence

because to us it seems correct to rape the rapist or kill the killer

were a scary species

I agree we're a scary species. I agree we desire vengeance on an almost primal level. I disagree that its something we should allow, or even that we should want it.

What is vengeance but a world full of blind people

"justice is blind"

i don't disagree with you i just wonder if its possible

i actually am in favor of exile as opposed to the death penalty

but you have to prove you cant change

you cant be helped

youll always be violent

I'm more of a "repay your debt to society" type person, but I actually mean that.

If a person is always gonna be violent/a rapist/whatever just lock them up and study them

That at least helps society

look exile wont be used willy nilly on every killer

of course

just on those who refuse it

and cant recover

refuse what exactly?

science

via violence

ah, being studied

im not going for lobotmey

i just refuse to cross that line

Yeah, no human rights violations other than arguably their lost right to freedom of travel/movement

and even than death penalty is only self defense

like theya re actively attacking you

Yeah, if they go berserk and the tasers aren't working I won't shed a tear if they get shot

this is interesting and all but i think we really need to do something about sam hyde

if anyone needs locking up its him

Who?

what did h e do

you dont know sam hyde?