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I'm not trying to argue that legitimacy is based on whether blacks have a say
You are
I don't give a shit
im arguing that a state cannot secede without a referendum
and consent
from the gov
not a territory
You were arguing that the politicians who supported secession were illegitimate in doing so because blacks didn't vote for them
correct by that time most countries aboloshed slavery
So what? The politicians were elected by the democratic system of the time. You appear to be making an argument based on legal legitimacy.
Now you've magically shifted the goalposts to moral legitimacy
i.e. being nice to blacks or something
no both are true
at the same time
Even when they are in conflict?
how so
it was established by that time slavery was wrong
and it was illegal
to secede
because they did not consent the governmetn
Well an example is what we are discussing. Blacks didn't have the vote so legally they didn't factor into the consideration. But you're making a moral argument about how it was wrong that blacks didn't have the vote and using that to nullify the argument for secession
ok ill just get to the point
america is perfect
no one can leave
Enjoy your ZOG
unless gov says so
America is shit and will soon be a nonwhite country. It's based on shit values and much of it was built by christian cultists.
Enjoy your sinking ship
democracy isnt a christian idea
niether is secularism
Secularism is very Protestant
they did not invent it
Because they all keep disagreeing on bullshit so the only way a Protestant country can avoid collapse and infighting is secularism
the ottomans were more secular than the protestants !!!!\
Similar issues, they were dealing with lots of different religions
Basically the same as dealing with lots of Christian cults
also secularism by definition means there is no state religion
so its not christian
its not muslim
its not jewish