edge

and give us representation at parliment

lol

US didn't give blacks representation

america would look so much better if it was only white

So fucking there

Not that I care

@Aggro Saxon you kinda didnt either

shouldent have taken the slavessssss

until the 1800s

#antiangloaction

I'm not trying to argue that legitimacy is based on whether blacks have a say

You are

I don't give a shit

im arguing that a state cannot secede without a referendum

and consent

from the gov

not a territory

You were arguing that the politicians who supported secession were illegitimate in doing so because blacks didn't vote for them

correct by that time most countries aboloshed slavery

So what? The politicians were elected by the democratic system of the time. You appear to be making an argument based on legal legitimacy.

Now you've magically shifted the goalposts to moral legitimacy

i.e. being nice to blacks or something

no both are true

at the same time

Even when they are in conflict?

how so

it was established by that time slavery was wrong

and it was illegal

to secede

because they did not consent the governmetn

it was unilateral

Well an example is what we are discussing. Blacks didn't have the vote so legally they didn't factor into the consideration. But you're making a moral argument about how it was wrong that blacks didn't have the vote and using that to nullify the argument for secession

ok ill just get to the point

america is perfect

no one can leave

Enjoy your ZOG

unless gov says so

America is shit and will soon be a nonwhite country. It's based on shit values and much of it was built by christian cultists.

Enjoy your sinking ship