Which is exactly why I want to work for others. Out of my own interests.

to say people "Want to work" isnt to be simplified to them working to not starve

Simply because Im a selfish capitalist pig of course

they want to work, because people want to feel useful

It's slavery if any person does not want to work.

I wouldn't call it

that

Just like you wouldn't call government tyrannical.

That's just life. You have to work.

Well I think there is a relevant distinction to be made between coerced labor and slavery

and you dont have to work

"You have to work".

its not life

Slavery.

its only life if the capitalist class says it is

we're free to oppose that

Only you'll then claim its somehow natural

You do have to. It's part of evolution and how we evolved. If nobody worked we wouldn't progress.

No it isnt.

Proof?

We did not evolve to work for the sake of working.

You first, you're making the claim.

^

Never said that

Yes, but you did

I never said people work for the sake of working

"You do have to. It's part of evolution and how we evolved. If nobody worked we wouldn't progress."

Yes

We have to work

what do you think this implies

as a species

to survive

except we dont, not in the way you mean

i.e. wage labor

hence why wage labour didnt exist prior to capitalism

It implies just what I said. We have to work. I never claimed we had to work for the sake of working. That's nonsense

because it in no way is natural to our circumstance

Again, not in the way you mean

We only have to feed, cloth, and house ourselves...not spend 200 hours a week slaving away for someone else's profits.

Ok what do I mean then?

we're talking in the context of capitalism where the number one mode of work is that of wage labour