Message from @fannybandit
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but I image E is a capitalist
or wants to be one
He wants capitalism because he is wealthy.
It's within his interests.
Not the people around him.
The majority do not want capitalism.
But thats why I mentioned work doesnt have to be wage labour
Which is exactly why I want to work for others. Out of my own interests.
to say people "Want to work" isnt to be simplified to them working to not starve
Simply because Im a selfish capitalist pig of course
they want to work, because people want to feel useful
It's slavery if any person does not want to work.
I wouldn't call it
that
Just like you wouldn't call government tyrannical.
That's just life. You have to work.
Well I think there is a relevant distinction to be made between coerced labor and slavery
and you dont have to work
"You have to work".
its not life
its only life if the capitalist class says it is
we're free to oppose that
Only you'll then claim its somehow natural
You do have to. It's part of evolution and how we evolved. If nobody worked we wouldn't progress.
No it isnt.
Proof?
We did not evolve to work for the sake of working.
You first, you're making the claim.
^
Never said that
Yes, but you did
I never said people work for the sake of working
"You do have to. It's part of evolution and how we evolved. If nobody worked we wouldn't progress."
Yes
We have to work
what do you think this implies
as a species
to survive
except we dont, not in the way you mean
i.e. wage labor