its only life if the capitalist class says it is

we're free to oppose that

Only you'll then claim its somehow natural

You do have to. It's part of evolution and how we evolved. If nobody worked we wouldn't progress.

No it isnt.

Proof?

We did not evolve to work for the sake of working.

You first, you're making the claim.

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Never said that

Yes, but you did

I never said people work for the sake of working

"You do have to. It's part of evolution and how we evolved. If nobody worked we wouldn't progress."

Yes

We have to work

what do you think this implies

as a species

to survive

except we dont, not in the way you mean

i.e. wage labor

hence why wage labour didnt exist prior to capitalism

It implies just what I said. We have to work. I never claimed we had to work for the sake of working. That's nonsense

because it in no way is natural to our circumstance

Again, not in the way you mean

We only have to feed, cloth, and house ourselves...not spend 200 hours a week slaving away for someone else's profits.

Ok what do I mean then?

we're talking in the context of capitalism where the number one mode of work is that of wage labour

wage labour is manufactured

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it is in no way natural or the mode in which we all "have to work"

what you mean,

is we all have to do "something"

Some jobs don't require you to work 200 hours a week

whether that be farm, intellectual work.

painting,

There's nothing natural about working the majority of your life.

Some jobs are rather easy some are hard and some require you to be skilled or talented or intelligent in a field

literally anything, we have to do SOMETHING for actualization

there is nothing in our humanity that dictates that something has to be wage labour

Spot on.

No we have to work. Otherwise our species wouldnt survive