Message from @Denning

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2018-03-08 00:41:26 UTC  
2018-03-08 00:41:34 UTC  

Awww

2018-03-08 00:41:37 UTC  

does government have other duties?

2018-03-08 00:41:42 UTC  

Of course.

2018-03-08 00:41:48 UTC  

Sorry mate

2018-03-08 00:41:59 UTC  

Maintain an Army and a Navy, faithfully execute law, protect people's rights, etc.

2018-03-08 00:42:25 UTC  

the very nature of a military implies loyalty

2018-03-08 00:42:28 UTC  

Overall, government duty is to provide opportunity to those who don't have many,

2018-03-08 00:42:30 UTC  

so your proposed state would still be hierarchical

2018-03-08 00:42:41 UTC  

Only if the military ruled.

2018-03-08 00:42:48 UTC  

My proposed state would be constitutional.

2018-03-08 00:42:49 UTC  

is this acceptable despite the threat of inequality?

2018-03-08 00:42:55 UTC  

No hierarchy.

2018-03-08 00:43:05 UTC  

There will always be a threat of inequality.

2018-03-08 00:43:17 UTC  

Through a constitutional state, that threat will be minimized.

2018-03-08 00:43:44 UTC  

why exist with the threat when you can eliminate it entirely tho
constitutional states don't really last

2018-03-08 00:43:56 UTC  

but constitutions have historically more served to guarantee the rights of those in power than the other way around

2018-03-08 00:43:57 UTC  

You can't eliminate inequality though

2018-03-08 00:43:59 UTC  

They will last if you enforce the law faithfully.

2018-03-08 00:44:06 UTC  

It's all about maintaining a republic.

2018-03-08 00:44:06 UTC  

what would this constitution look like?

2018-03-08 00:44:11 UTC  

How do you ensure the law is enforced though?

2018-03-08 00:44:14 UTC  

It's in plain writ.

2018-03-08 00:44:30 UTC  

Direct democracy in the republic?

2018-03-08 00:44:37 UTC  

No democracy.

2018-03-08 00:44:47 UTC  

Only a constitutional republic.

2018-03-08 00:44:51 UTC  

words on parchment don't mean anything if you don't have people to represent it

2018-03-08 00:44:55 UTC  

Wait so how does that work>

2018-03-08 00:44:58 UTC  

so how is the government determined?

2018-03-08 00:45:13 UTC  

If presented, the people would prefer a constitutional republic.

2018-03-08 00:45:19 UTC  

It gives the people the power.

2018-03-08 00:45:35 UTC  

Government then become representational extensions of the people.

2018-03-08 00:45:36 UTC  

Wait but people don't vote?

2018-03-08 00:45:46 UTC  

Or the people act as their own representatives?

2018-03-08 00:46:02 UTC  

The people act as their own representation.

2018-03-08 00:46:05 UTC  

how do you stop representatives from becoming a class of their own?

2018-03-08 00:46:08 UTC  

Voting is pointless for the most part.

2018-03-08 00:46:11 UTC  

Nice

2018-03-08 00:46:12 UTC  

politics as an industry the way we see today?

2018-03-08 00:46:25 UTC  

We do away with representatives.

2018-03-08 00:46:26 UTC  

No the people are their own representatives