@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 >The capitalist economy did better than the communist economy
Really makes you think.

Also, only someone that knows little about Marxist theory would claim that Lenin wasn't a Marxist. He was an Orthodox Marxist until his death.

the NEP wasn't capitalist
it was more of a demsoc economy

kind of like what cuba has

@Deleted User What warcommunism? The civil war ended about a decade before the NEP was put into place, even if people were starving still, the NEP did nothing to help out in that, all it did was allow capitalism to thrive.

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 And dem socs are capitalist.

"dem socs are capitalist"
no you're thinking of socdems

What's the difference?

social democracy is declawed capitalism
demsoc has some actual socialism in it

Wait what? The countries today that claim to be democratic socialists are capitalist, bernie sanders, the walking corpse is a dem soc and he is a capitalist.... care to elaborate?

@Deleted User I stand by what I say, unless you have proof that he was actually a marxist, then I will continue to do so.

@Deleted User It was a market-oriented policy which included monetary reform and the introduction of foreign capital. "War Communism" was the system which existed from 1918 until the year 1921. The NEP was implemented in March of that same year.

Bernie shouldn't have described himself as a democratic socialist

yeah he really isn't one

@Deleted User You obviously know very little about Soviet history.

@Deleted User So it wasn't present at all during war communism, thank you for confirming that.

And the Scandinavian countries call themselves social democracies

@buyXRBpls Isn't that a no true scotsman though?

@buyXRBpls I mean, how do you really know that demsocs aren't equivalent to socdems?

@Deleted User You claimed the NEP was introduced a decade after the Civil War ended. That's false. The Russian Civil War lasted from 1917 to 1922.

it's like thinking hitler was actually a socialist just because he called himself one

@🖤 Limeboo 🖤 Well we know that he wasn't because of the evidence that was presented, (And the fact that he didn't actually call himself a marxist socialist).

Your historiography is severely lacking.

What evidence is there that these countries aren't socdems?

@Deleted User soc dems want a welfare state to reduce the income equality that comes with capitalism while dem socs want to transition from capitalism to socialism through election

@Deleted User I may have been wrong in my statement that the civil war ended a decade before, but it still stands that NEP was never a measure to help war communism, and was just the introduction of capitalism back into russia, at this point, you really are nit picking.

@buyXRBpls But, that never really happens does it? There has never been in an instance where what you call dem socs have turned a country marxist socialist through elections, instead they became identical to that of soc dems, so really, what difference is there in the end?

You are right that they usually become soc dems but there is a difference

@Deleted User That's wrong. War Communism left the economy in near-ruin. The NEP was implemented as a direct result of the poor shape the economy was in. It was specifically designed to boost the economy.

@buyXRBpls Not really.

I am not "nit-picking" anything. I'm stating facts.

Where are yours?

@Deleted User So war communism failed spectacularly, and lenin introduced capitalism because he thought it would help the country even though he fought a civil war to rid the country of capitalism..... really makes you think.

@Deleted User What kind of argument was that?

@buyXRBpls What difference is there?

Dem socs want socialism still but will most likely compromise with soc dems

How would you know what they want? In the end, they just end up as soc dems.

@Deleted User That wasn't an argument. I'm still waiting on one. Can you actually formulate one? And Lenin introduced the NEP because he knew it would help the failing economy. The NEP was introduced while the Civil War was still going on.

It was a necessary measure, and without it: The newly-formed workers state may not have survived.

The revolution was still very much in its infancy.

@Deleted User Thanks for admitting it then. And he introduced it as it was coming to an end, by the time 1921 rolled around, the white army was in far east russia hanging around vladiostok starving, it was pretty much already done and over with. If lenin did introduce capitalism, and fully advocated for it, even to the last day of his life, then really, you have to question if he was marxist at all, stalin proved that the union was capable of surviving without it.... granted millions died under stalin, but had he not done what he had done, it is likely that the union would have collapsed into civil war once again, and this time, it would have been likely that the union would have been totally annihilated.