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2018-07-13 11:38:46 UTC  

it simply cant work

2018-07-13 11:39:31 UTC  

I hate imperialists as much as the next person but they're not the only problems for societies like this.

2018-07-13 11:40:10 UTC  

If you give too much freedom there's bound to be someone who becomes a tyrants because he has the freedom to become one.

2018-07-13 11:40:16 UTC  

How would you have people emerge to power in full anarchy

2018-07-13 11:40:22 UTC  

And that can happen in many ways.

2018-07-13 11:40:39 UTC  

Unless it's a vast majority that wants to create a government

2018-07-13 11:41:05 UTC  

People that are used to living freely will want to preserve it

2018-07-13 11:41:27 UTC  

Right now no one is thinking about it so nobody will want to revolt

2018-07-13 11:41:44 UTC  

Prople seek to keep the current system

2018-07-13 11:41:50 UTC  

People

2018-07-13 11:42:49 UTC  

Humans naturally want and need a hierarchy and are highly dependant on it. Hell social structures are even based around it too. Its unfortunate but true. The main thing we need to do is to make sure humans aren't as dependent on others. Or atleast make sure they're not dependent on leaders and can learn to be their own leaders.

2018-07-13 11:43:37 UTC  

That's a good thing on paper but how would it even work? Besides total freedom can end up killing people who havent done anything wrong.

2018-07-13 11:44:13 UTC  

Innocent people die every day you can't stop it with any system

2018-07-13 11:44:17 UTC  

Its true that just because the government says its wrong doesnt me it is but we need the law to create some order. It just depends on the law and it depends on who's in charge.

2018-07-13 11:44:23 UTC  

As for hierarchy

2018-07-13 11:44:30 UTC  

True but you can minimize it depending in some systems

2018-07-13 11:44:41 UTC  

It can exist just not illegitamate like the state

2018-07-13 11:44:52 UTC  

True anarchism will maximize it Im sure

2018-07-13 11:45:08 UTC  

Actually the opposite

2018-07-13 11:45:26 UTC  

People have less motive to kill in anarchy

2018-07-13 11:45:35 UTC  

Depends again what school of thought you use

2018-07-13 11:45:56 UTC  

And which school of thought are you talking about to support that claim?

2018-07-13 11:46:01 UTC  

State creates many social problems

2018-07-13 11:46:15 UTC  

I'm specificslly supporting egoism here

2018-07-13 11:46:28 UTC  

Or post-left anarchism

2018-07-13 11:47:02 UTC  

Social problems will always exist. You need to make sure you're not as reliant on such social structures.

2018-07-13 11:47:24 UTC  

Like government, culture and religion.

2018-07-13 11:47:46 UTC  

But they are necessary for a lot of things

2018-07-13 11:48:08 UTC  

If they go to shit you need to know how to not rely on them in order to not get sucked into those problems.

2018-07-13 11:48:23 UTC  

Yes of course

2018-07-13 11:48:43 UTC  

People would have to take more control over their own lives

2018-07-13 11:48:59 UTC  

But would be free

2018-07-13 11:50:52 UTC  

I agree 100% but my main problem with true anarchy is that I think it will just spawn tyrants and many people will suffer because of it.

2018-07-13 11:51:25 UTC  

Tyrants will spawn if people allow them to

2018-07-13 11:51:40 UTC  

Right and some people will in an anarchist society

2018-07-13 11:51:51 UTC  

If so then you're fine with one doesnt matter right

2018-07-13 11:52:02 UTC  

But it will be a majority then

2018-07-13 11:52:17 UTC  

If you are free you do 't wnat anyone over you

2018-07-13 11:52:26 UTC  

There are exceptions as always

2018-07-13 11:52:34 UTC  

But they don't play a role

2018-07-13 11:53:46 UTC  

If you want an anarchist society the only way you can make it work is to make sure there isnt tyrants or people who support government in the society, The problem is many people will and do and will change their minds if their lives are even worse than with a government. This basically means you'll have to have atleast one law which is to make sure government can't exist.