Message from @Geamr

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2018-07-29 15:14:25 UTC  

in fact mostly people do today

2018-07-29 15:14:31 UTC  

doesnt*

2018-07-29 15:14:51 UTC  

most philosophy until the 16th century was still based on aristotelian concepts

2018-07-29 15:15:04 UTC  

i'd say he was pretty damn smart

2018-07-29 15:15:15 UTC  

for his time he was

2018-07-29 15:15:19 UTC  

smart people can come to wrong conclusions

2018-07-29 15:15:35 UTC  

where did i say that

2018-07-29 15:16:36 UTC  

yeah to "ancient greeks" in general, not aristotle in particular

2018-07-29 15:17:31 UTC  

i mean slaves didnt had any acess to information whatsoever

2018-07-29 15:17:42 UTC  

i did not know he believed that, but i do not think he was an idiot

2018-07-29 15:17:45 UTC  

so understandable

2018-07-29 15:18:02 UTC  

we are talking now about greece

2018-07-29 15:18:07 UTC  

back then there was no such thing as empirical science and knowledge was a luxury good

2018-07-29 15:18:12 UTC  

but serfs didnt had education too

2018-07-29 15:18:21 UTC  

except for the clergy

2018-07-29 15:18:38 UTC  

access to education != being smarter than someone

2018-07-29 15:18:57 UTC  

uhhhhh nope

2018-07-29 15:19:01 UTC  

in agriculture too

2018-07-29 15:19:29 UTC  

feudalism developed agriculture to levels unknown until the feudal era

2018-07-29 15:19:59 UTC  

the bronze age actually had a big boom in agriculture, and i don't think that was feudalism already

2018-07-29 15:20:26 UTC  

wait your sentence doesn't make sense

2018-07-29 15:21:28 UTC  

sorry

2018-07-29 15:21:32 UTC  

im brazillian

2018-07-29 15:21:47 UTC  

what i mean is that they developed agriculture a lot

2018-07-29 15:22:17 UTC  

very slowly, but yeah, and apparently a lot more sustainable than the bronze age system

2018-07-29 15:23:21 UTC  

which eventually led to more accumulation of wealth and creating the merchant class, making cities important trading and financial centers and giving rise to capitalism

2018-07-29 15:23:41 UTC  

feudalism is the same as the feudal era i'd say, that's what i meant

2018-07-29 15:23:47 UTC  

@Geamr man animal traction came strong as hell in feudalism

2018-07-29 15:23:57 UTC  

like never before

2018-07-29 15:24:05 UTC  

in a relatively short time

2018-07-29 15:24:51 UTC  

i don't know enough about the development of agriculture tech in that period, but i meant slow through todays lens

2018-07-29 15:25:29 UTC  

but yeah technological advances were accelerating in earnest around then and really jumped in the enlightenment era after

2018-07-29 15:26:30 UTC  

so @PugSlugger still interested in when there was a capitalist society pre enlightenment, you haven't shown one so far

2018-07-29 15:26:43 UTC  

well by todays lens almost everything was terribly slow

2018-07-29 15:39:07 UTC  

Epic gang weed moment when the rightist defends an empire which practised sodomy and faggotry

2018-07-29 15:40:00 UTC  

what the fuck

2018-07-29 15:40:02 UTC  

>calling rome capitalist when carthage was closer
WEW

2018-07-29 15:40:11 UTC  

using today measures dont mean they were capitalist

2018-07-29 15:40:20 UTC  

doesnt*

2018-07-29 15:44:17 UTC  

Read Marx

2018-07-29 15:44:35 UTC  

I don't think you understand the capitalist mode of production