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2018-08-23 12:20:02 UTC  

no its partly both

2018-08-23 12:20:17 UTC  

I think i know what you mean

2018-08-23 12:20:28 UTC  

a lot of people dont experience egoism is a lot of actions like killing themselves

2018-08-23 12:20:35 UTC  

giving flowers to people because it makes you happy is purely egoistic tho

2018-08-23 12:20:45 UTC  

but it appears altruisitc because you ar ehelping others

2018-08-23 12:20:49 UTC  

so we say it's altruism

2018-08-23 12:21:02 UTC  

because they are not aware of it

2018-08-23 12:21:07 UTC  

Yes but what if it doesnt make you happy and if you dont want to be happy but do it anyway?

2018-08-23 12:21:11 UTC  

we are egoists deep down

2018-08-23 12:21:24 UTC  

well you wont do it

2018-08-23 12:21:36 UTC  

Thats wrong, many people do it including me

2018-08-23 12:21:39 UTC  

one reason you might because you think it will make you a good person

2018-08-23 12:21:48 UTC  

you are doing a "good cause"

2018-08-23 12:21:54 UTC  

which is just like morality

2018-08-23 12:21:58 UTC  

abstract and doesnt exist

2018-08-23 12:22:03 UTC  

you are lying to yourself

2018-08-23 12:22:37 UTC  

Again that doesnt explain people dying for others

2018-08-23 12:22:42 UTC  

especially atheists

2018-08-23 12:22:52 UTC  

atheists follow good causes all the time

2018-08-23 12:22:57 UTC  

look at college students

2018-08-23 12:23:02 UTC  

shouting about racism

2018-08-23 12:23:04 UTC  

yes but not when they want to die for their loved ones

2018-08-23 12:23:05 UTC  

and hate speech

2018-08-23 12:23:17 UTC  

dying for loved ones is because you love them

2018-08-23 12:23:20 UTC  

having them die

2018-08-23 12:23:26 UTC  

but you living would be too hard for you

2018-08-23 12:23:32 UTC  

so you prefer to just die

2018-08-23 12:23:40 UTC  

No thats not why they die

2018-08-23 12:23:52 UTC  

they're able to live without them but dont want them dying

2018-08-23 12:23:53 UTC  

what then

2018-08-23 12:24:06 UTC  

because they view their loved ones higher than them

2018-08-23 12:24:12 UTC  

of value

2018-08-23 12:24:16 UTC  

yes

2018-08-23 12:24:18 UTC  

but

2018-08-23 12:24:21 UTC  

deep down

2018-08-23 12:24:33 UTC  

all it is is your loved ones making you happy

2018-08-23 12:24:37 UTC  

so losing them is hard

2018-08-23 12:24:58 UTC  

involountary egoists view them as higher

2018-08-23 12:25:09 UTC  

that's what egoism is about

2018-08-23 12:25:17 UTC  

not seeing anything higher than yourself

2018-08-23 12:25:34 UTC  

because only then are you free