Message from @ApplicationBot
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no its partly both
I think i know what you mean
a lot of people dont experience egoism is a lot of actions like killing themselves
giving flowers to people because it makes you happy is purely egoistic tho
but it appears altruisitc because you ar ehelping others
so we say it's altruism
because they are not aware of it
Yes but what if it doesnt make you happy and if you dont want to be happy but do it anyway?
we are egoists deep down
well you wont do it
Thats wrong, many people do it including me
one reason you might because you think it will make you a good person
you are doing a "good cause"
which is just like morality
abstract and doesnt exist
you are lying to yourself
Again that doesnt explain people dying for others
especially atheists
atheists follow good causes all the time
look at college students
yes but not when they want to die for their loved ones
and hate speech
dying for loved ones is because you love them
having them die
but you living would be too hard for you
so you prefer to just die
No thats not why they die
they're able to live without them but dont want them dying
what then
because they view their loved ones higher than them
of value
yes
but
deep down
all it is is your loved ones making you happy
so losing them is hard
involountary egoists view them as higher
that's what egoism is about
not seeing anything higher than yourself
because only then are you free