Message from @nagarjuna

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2018-09-12 15:05:07 UTC  

No

2018-09-12 15:05:11 UTC  

I need contemporary empirics

2018-09-12 15:05:14 UTC  

absolutely, but muslims can still blame a larger power

2018-09-12 15:05:17 UTC  

Up to nagarjuna

2018-09-12 15:05:36 UTC  

If it cannot occur non-globally, I would say that is a serious point to discuss

2018-09-12 15:05:38 UTC  

9/11 was great for the US because then the US gets to claim its a victim, which is rich for the most powerful country ever

2018-09-12 15:05:55 UTC  

I am aware of the existence of the petrodollar

2018-09-12 15:05:58 UTC  

Please save me

2018-09-12 15:06:02 UTC  

And answer my question

2018-09-12 15:06:14 UTC  

we have hegemony of the commodity form, everyone is forced to participate in what is functionally one economy

2018-09-12 15:06:21 UTC  

Rip

2018-09-12 15:06:40 UTC  

so this is like a gift which is given to us, a gift we don't want but we are powerless because we cannot refuse it (seemingly)

2018-09-12 15:07:24 UTC  

All baudrillard really says then is that it's about turning power against itself, and also that systems get more fragile as they get more perfect

2018-09-12 15:08:04 UTC  

so "the system" is definitely vulnerable. it's just we play into its hands perhaps by emphasizing all these different good guy/ bad guy schemes

2018-09-12 15:08:31 UTC  

Is this some sort of deterministic oriented philosophy?

2018-09-12 15:08:48 UTC  

I get the feeling that the distinctions regardless, main point being we're all in one coin.

2018-09-12 15:08:57 UTC  

Isn't all materialist philosophy inherently determisnistic

2018-09-12 15:09:00 UTC  

regardless of ideology to pick

2018-09-12 15:09:07 UTC  

Tru

2018-09-12 15:09:24 UTC  

How do I word this uhhhhh

2018-09-12 15:09:27 UTC  

it's more fatalist than deterministic but its like the same

2018-09-12 15:09:37 UTC  

^ yeh what I was trying to say

2018-09-12 15:09:44 UTC  

It reeks a bit of nihilism

2018-09-12 15:09:49 UTC  

and he likes talking about destiny

2018-09-12 15:09:59 UTC  

Hmmm

2018-09-12 15:10:36 UTC  

As a staunch materialist, I would argue that marxist theory provides a more fatalist approach to our world that is supported by history

2018-09-12 15:10:51 UTC  

Partly fatalist.

2018-09-12 15:10:55 UTC  

Considering, this is purely hypothetical

2018-09-12 15:10:56 UTC  

but to my nihilism is just a way of saying the world is beyond categories, can't we agree on that?

2018-09-12 15:10:57 UTC  

Unless you mean it in a different light

2018-09-12 15:11:09 UTC  

No

2018-09-12 15:11:10 UTC  

or what do yall mean by nihilism

2018-09-12 15:11:16 UTC  

"Fatalism is a philosophical doctrine that stresses the subjugation of all events or actions to destiny" So you mean this one?

2018-09-12 15:11:22 UTC  

The world is a complex organization of energy interacting through space-time

2018-09-12 15:11:24 UTC  

Nothing else

2018-09-12 15:11:38 UTC  

"nihilism"

2018-09-12 15:11:43 UTC  

Well i used that term

2018-09-12 15:11:48 UTC  

In regards to nagarjuna

2018-09-12 15:11:53 UTC  

Because from what I understand

2018-09-12 15:12:06 UTC  

Since all we do is rather pointless regardless of what light we paint ourselves into

2018-09-12 15:12:12 UTC  

comes back into the same ole existential problems of