Message from @Firefly
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Why is it good to be a proper materialist?
@Cui bono? what do you mean by higher purpose
Use dialectics to prove your objective values
do it now
What do I know, maybe god, maybe something else, the quest for finding a purporse is essential to the human expericence
And asking for the purpose in anything is already a framed question
@Cui bono? why would you consider it just one higher purpose though
And why are white people in a better position to find it
@Hagel It is easy really. But to understand that proof you have to try very hard. The common production of goods is in no contradiction to common consumption of goods. While common production of goods is in contradiction with a private consumption. Production is socially based while consumption is privately based. To eradicate this conflict at some point the private consumption will change to common consumption.
That's not a value
that's a prediction, like energy will equal MC^2
And that's all
It is a prediction
Your values are not more objective than mine
Because white people are the most capable of feeling empathy which is what makes us different from animals, we can tame our primitive instincs and have a higher level of conciousness that allows us no to live in the moment like a pathetic animal controlled only by its biological code.
Asians are smart but lack empathy andd curiosity
Blacks are just too dumb.
I have a value that meets scientific prediction. Prediction may be not 100% correct but a very close to. If I to make private property common I release the conflict and society goes on the next stage. Is my goal and a prediction. Is my subjective and objective. They are met.
You desire what will (according to you, it hasn't happened yet) happen
The desire is no more objective than any other
It's a value
You value it
You said so yourself
It is understanding of reality and bringing your values up to your understanding
Its both
While some of us are idealists and are trying to make values out of pure ideas.
If I value your death by murder, and manage to murder you, my value isn't more objective than if I fail to murder you
It's the same for the fate of humanity.
Subjective idealism where value is made in abstract. Dialectical-Materialism where value is set to mirror the material condition where both subjective and objective are met.
So
Do you value feudalism and capitalism, as stages before Marxism?
Because your model predicts them
Yes
Do you therefore prefer to go through those stages, over skipping to the end, even if you could?
So you see terminal value (not instrumental value) in the oppression of the proletareat
*very interesting*
So
What ever happens, you value that
So if I rape your mother to death, you value that?
I really do not care. I'm not very emotional. Hegel says if the whole world will fall upon you for the pure spirit of abstract will matter not.