Message from @Cui bono?

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2018-10-01 20:11:14 UTC  

a nihilist thats it!

2018-10-01 20:11:21 UTC  

As you don't know dialectics you can't be a proper materialist

2018-10-01 20:11:36 UTC  

If there is a higher purpose in the world then white people are the ones closest to finding it

2018-10-01 20:11:37 UTC  

and your values are not objective

2018-10-01 20:11:46 UTC  

How can you prove that communism is objectively necessary more than I can prove that pugnism is objectively necessary?

2018-10-01 20:11:53 UTC  

Why is it good to know dialectics?

2018-10-01 20:11:56 UTC  

Why is it good to be a proper materialist?

2018-10-01 20:12:07 UTC  

@Cui bono? what do you mean by higher purpose

2018-10-01 20:12:33 UTC  

Use dialectics to prove your objective values

2018-10-01 20:12:34 UTC  

do it now

2018-10-01 20:12:38 UTC  

@Hagel communism is necessary because Capitalism is doomed

2018-10-01 20:13:10 UTC  

What do I know, maybe god, maybe something else, the quest for finding a purporse is essential to the human expericence

2018-10-01 20:13:40 UTC  

And asking for the purpose in anything is already a framed question

2018-10-01 20:14:09 UTC  

@Cui bono? why would you consider it just one higher purpose though
And why are white people in a better position to find it

2018-10-01 20:15:08 UTC  

@Hagel It is easy really. But to understand that proof you have to try very hard. The common production of goods is in no contradiction to common consumption of goods. While common production of goods is in contradiction with a private consumption. Production is socially based while consumption is privately based. To eradicate this conflict at some point the private consumption will change to common consumption.

2018-10-01 20:15:28 UTC  

That's not a value

2018-10-01 20:15:37 UTC  

that's a prediction, like energy will equal MC^2

2018-10-01 20:15:46 UTC  

And that's all

2018-10-01 20:15:51 UTC  

It is a prediction

2018-10-01 20:16:07 UTC  

Your values are not more objective than mine

2018-10-01 20:16:41 UTC  

Because white people are the most capable of feeling empathy which is what makes us different from animals, we can tame our primitive instincs and have a higher level of conciousness that allows us no to live in the moment like a pathetic animal controlled only by its biological code.

2018-10-01 20:17:13 UTC  

Asians are smart but lack empathy andd curiosity

2018-10-01 20:17:36 UTC  

Blacks are just too dumb.

2018-10-01 20:18:27 UTC  

I have a value that meets scientific prediction. Prediction may be not 100% correct but a very close to. If I to make private property common I release the conflict and society goes on the next stage. Is my goal and a prediction. Is my subjective and objective. They are met.

2018-10-01 20:18:44 UTC  

You desire what will (according to you, it hasn't happened yet) happen

2018-10-01 20:18:56 UTC  

The desire is no more objective than any other

2018-10-01 20:19:13 UTC  

It is not a desire at all. I'm fine in capitalism myself.

2018-10-01 20:19:18 UTC  

It's a value

2018-10-01 20:19:21 UTC  

You value it

2018-10-01 20:19:23 UTC  

You said so yourself

2018-10-01 20:19:39 UTC  

It is understanding of reality and bringing your values up to your understanding

2018-10-01 20:19:49 UTC  

Its both

2018-10-01 20:20:15 UTC  

While some of us are idealists and are trying to make values out of pure ideas.

2018-10-01 20:20:23 UTC  

If I value your death by murder, and manage to murder you, my value isn't more objective than if I fail to murder you

2018-10-01 20:20:59 UTC  

It's the same for the fate of humanity.

2018-10-01 20:21:19 UTC  

Subjective idealism where value is made in abstract. Dialectical-Materialism where value is set to mirror the material condition where both subjective and objective are met.

2018-10-01 20:21:46 UTC  

So

2018-10-01 20:21:54 UTC  

Do you value feudalism and capitalism, as stages before Marxism?

2018-10-01 20:22:00 UTC  

Because your model predicts them

2018-10-01 20:22:09 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-01 20:22:13 UTC  

Do you therefore prefer to go through those stages, over skipping to the end, even if you could?