Message from @Hagel
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Because white people are the most capable of feeling empathy which is what makes us different from animals, we can tame our primitive instincs and have a higher level of conciousness that allows us no to live in the moment like a pathetic animal controlled only by its biological code.
Asians are smart but lack empathy andd curiosity
Blacks are just too dumb.
I have a value that meets scientific prediction. Prediction may be not 100% correct but a very close to. If I to make private property common I release the conflict and society goes on the next stage. Is my goal and a prediction. Is my subjective and objective. They are met.
You desire what will (according to you, it hasn't happened yet) happen
The desire is no more objective than any other
It is not a desire at all. I'm fine in capitalism myself.
It's a value
You value it
You said so yourself
It is understanding of reality and bringing your values up to your understanding
Its both
While some of us are idealists and are trying to make values out of pure ideas.
If I value your death by murder, and manage to murder you, my value isn't more objective than if I fail to murder you
It's the same for the fate of humanity.
Subjective idealism where value is made in abstract. Dialectical-Materialism where value is set to mirror the material condition where both subjective and objective are met.
So
Do you value feudalism and capitalism, as stages before Marxism?
Because your model predicts them
Yes
So you see terminal value (not instrumental value) in the oppression of the proletareat
*very interesting*
So
What ever happens, you value that
So if I rape your mother to death, you value that?
I really do not care. I'm not very emotional. Hegel says if the whole world will fall upon you for the pure spirit of abstract will matter not.
If you don't care, then you don't value it one way or the other
You said that you have values, and that those values are objective.
Yes
You can either have values and care, or not have values and not care.
(although you can care purely intellectually without emotion)
You can't care intellectually
An interesting notion which I do not share
In either case, if you don't care, you don't have values
So you've failed to prove how you have values which are objective
I do care emotionally, but my emotions are subjective
That's what I was saying, but you claimed to have objective values.
Yes
All of them
It's clear to any one observing that your position is incoherent