Message from @Hagel

Discord ID: 496416619778801694


2018-10-01 20:17:13 UTC  

Asians are smart but lack empathy andd curiosity

2018-10-01 20:17:36 UTC  

Blacks are just too dumb.

2018-10-01 20:18:27 UTC  

I have a value that meets scientific prediction. Prediction may be not 100% correct but a very close to. If I to make private property common I release the conflict and society goes on the next stage. Is my goal and a prediction. Is my subjective and objective. They are met.

2018-10-01 20:18:44 UTC  

You desire what will (according to you, it hasn't happened yet) happen

2018-10-01 20:18:56 UTC  

The desire is no more objective than any other

2018-10-01 20:19:13 UTC  

It is not a desire at all. I'm fine in capitalism myself.

2018-10-01 20:19:18 UTC  

It's a value

2018-10-01 20:19:21 UTC  

You value it

2018-10-01 20:19:23 UTC  

You said so yourself

2018-10-01 20:19:39 UTC  

It is understanding of reality and bringing your values up to your understanding

2018-10-01 20:19:49 UTC  

Its both

2018-10-01 20:20:15 UTC  

While some of us are idealists and are trying to make values out of pure ideas.

2018-10-01 20:20:23 UTC  

If I value your death by murder, and manage to murder you, my value isn't more objective than if I fail to murder you

2018-10-01 20:20:59 UTC  

It's the same for the fate of humanity.

2018-10-01 20:21:19 UTC  

Subjective idealism where value is made in abstract. Dialectical-Materialism where value is set to mirror the material condition where both subjective and objective are met.

2018-10-01 20:21:46 UTC  

So

2018-10-01 20:21:54 UTC  

Do you value feudalism and capitalism, as stages before Marxism?

2018-10-01 20:22:00 UTC  

Because your model predicts them

2018-10-01 20:22:09 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-01 20:22:13 UTC  

Do you therefore prefer to go through those stages, over skipping to the end, even if you could?

2018-10-01 20:22:25 UTC  

So you see terminal value (not instrumental value) in the oppression of the proletareat

2018-10-01 20:22:27 UTC  

*very interesting*

2018-10-01 20:22:35 UTC  

So

2018-10-01 20:22:38 UTC  

What ever happens, you value that

2018-10-01 20:22:42 UTC  

So if I rape your mother to death, you value that?

2018-10-01 20:23:34 UTC  

I really do not care. I'm not very emotional. Hegel says if the whole world will fall upon you for the pure spirit of abstract will matter not.

2018-10-01 20:24:16 UTC  

If you don't care, then you don't value it one way or the other

2018-10-01 20:24:24 UTC  

You said that you have values, and that those values are objective.

2018-10-01 20:24:30 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-01 20:24:40 UTC  

You can either have values and care, or not have values and not care.

2018-10-01 20:24:50 UTC  

(although you can care purely intellectually without emotion)

2018-10-01 20:25:05 UTC  

You can't care intellectually

2018-10-01 20:25:23 UTC  

An interesting notion which I do not share

2018-10-01 20:25:30 UTC  

In either case, if you don't care, you don't have values

2018-10-01 20:25:39 UTC  

So you've failed to prove how you have values which are objective

2018-10-01 20:25:57 UTC  

I do care emotionally, but my emotions are subjective

2018-10-01 20:26:25 UTC  

That's what I was saying, but you claimed to have objective values.

2018-10-01 20:26:31 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-01 20:26:38 UTC  

All of them

2018-10-01 20:26:51 UTC  

It's clear to any one observing that your position is incoherent

2018-10-01 20:26:54 UTC  

I'll take my leave