Message from @baiyn

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2019-12-11 15:36:04 UTC  

there are principles for a just war

2019-12-11 15:36:12 UTC  

set forth by saint thomas aquinas

2019-12-11 15:36:16 UTC  

that are perfectly fine

2019-12-11 15:36:26 UTC  

could be that toppling one damages relation with an ally in such a way that is not beneficial to you

2019-12-11 15:36:37 UTC  

And some people I am sure want to topple governments for reasons along the lines of some of those principles, but not all

2019-12-11 15:36:43 UTC  

dont need war to topple a regime

2019-12-11 15:36:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633966934622208031/654345896363819028/ZRRW13N_d.jpg

2019-12-11 15:37:12 UTC  

fuck i guess ill do what i allways do an put neutral on the ambiguous ones

2019-12-11 15:37:13 UTC  

That's why it's really case-by-case thing. Though either way, usually nowadays people mess with the shit of other people because either ideology or profit.

2019-12-11 15:37:25 UTC  

my solution to unjust regimes is just nuke the place

2019-12-11 15:37:37 UTC  

if they're that unjust it's justified

2019-12-11 15:37:42 UTC  

if not then stop trying to interfere

2019-12-11 15:38:00 UTC  

No, nuking isn't justified. Huge collateral, you may cripple the regime but not destroy it but you will surely punish many innocents already suffering under the regime

2019-12-11 15:38:17 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633966934622208031/654346217735847957/unknown.png

2019-12-11 15:38:23 UTC  

**star ship troopers intensifies **

2019-12-11 15:38:24 UTC  

i can think of situations where nuking is justified

2019-12-11 15:38:39 UTC  

In some situations, sure, so can I. But not toppling regimes.

2019-12-11 15:38:55 UTC  

why not toppling regimes?

2019-12-11 15:39:33 UTC  

either the regime is that bad, or it isn't

2019-12-11 15:39:39 UTC  

make your mind up

2019-12-11 15:39:43 UTC  

Because of the abovementioned reasons. Regimes are usually shitloads of people spread all around the country, among regular citizens. Regime isn't some single figurehead

2019-12-11 15:39:54 UTC  

exactly

2019-12-11 15:39:57 UTC  

nuke the lot > less regimes

2019-12-11 15:40:01 UTC  

it is good to nuke the regimes

2019-12-11 15:40:04 UTC  

So nuking it effectively would mean nuking everyone, including regular people living under that regime who did nothing wrong

2019-12-11 15:40:23 UTC  

also nuking infrastructure, whatever of value the country had before the regime

2019-12-11 15:40:24 UTC  

you want regime?
we nuke regime.
less regime.

2019-12-11 15:40:30 UTC  

Less everything.

2019-12-11 15:40:30 UTC  

alles happy

2019-12-11 15:40:40 UTC  

#smilingchildren

2019-12-11 15:40:45 UTC  

It's like curing the cancer with hand grenades

2019-12-11 15:40:49 UTC  

it works

2019-12-11 15:40:53 UTC  

less cancer in the world

2019-12-11 15:41:07 UTC  

sure, the cancer won't spread, but the patient will die. Technically, a success but the collateral makes it pyrrhiv victory and I am sure you know that.

2019-12-11 15:41:17 UTC  

but that doesn't make sense as an argument

2019-12-11 15:41:18 UTC  

When the cure is as bad if not worse as the disease, it's not cure

2019-12-11 15:41:19 UTC  

because people learn

2019-12-11 15:41:27 UTC  

and cancer, well, cancer is irrational

2019-12-11 15:41:37 UTC  

less people will start regimes

2019-12-11 15:41:39 UTC  

if you nuke regimes