Using men

Men who were part of the Catholic Church. Specifically during the council of Trent if memory serves

@GHOST @Oboe feel free to ask questions if you have them

@Phil With Frankincense The Early Church, not the catholic church

2 Timothy 3:16

**2 Timothy 3:16 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<16> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ```

Scripture is authoritative

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2 Timothy 3:14-18

**2 Timothy 3:14-17 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

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<14> But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it, <15> and that from infancy you have known <the> sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. <16> All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, <17> so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work. ```

But I have a second question for you with that

Where does it say that *only* scripture is authoritative

It doesn't

The early church was the Catholic Church @Deleted User

@Phil With Frankincense No

But if at any point the traditions of men contradict the word of God we must take the words of God above the vain traditions of men

It was a mix of the Orthodox and the Catholics

Then it had a schism

Got any sources? 🤔

@oboe i agree

Because it is shown that the early Church thought the Bishop of Rome was supreme.

And both believed in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist

@Phil With Frankincense Do you believe that the successors of the apostles inherit the same exact power and authority that their predecessors had?

But I digress

Is that not what apostolic succession is?

So yes?

The Pope can do whatever Peter could?

I thought the Catholic church was created around 300 A.D. ? Maybe im confusing the dates

You’re about to talk about papal infallibility aren’t you

I had this argument last night

No

@GHOST the 300 AD thing was when Charlemagne legalized Christianity and when Nicaea I occurred

The church existed beforehand

I am asking if the Pope actually has the same powers as Peter did

Ahh okay

The powers that made an Apostle unique among Christians

As Peter’s successor, I would say yes, but I’m probably missing some nuance as I’m not particularly educated in these matters

He inherits his position as the earthly head of the Church, that's all.

So if they do inherit the powers the Apostles had, the Pope being the rightful inheritor of Peter's authority and power ought to be able to raise the dead on command, right?

@Spydig There is no such thing as a middle man between man and Christ

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