Message from @Spydig
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He actually does
Well not every minister is an inheritor of this unique ability
There’s all sorts of cases of miraculous healing
So the Pope *should* be able to command the dead to come back to life?
And again, the sacrament of unctin
Different people have these abilities at different times and different reasons, but that's only when it is the will of the Holy Spirit for that moment.
Well, will of God
Not necessarily the Holy Spirit
So the successors of the apostles have the same powers that any other believer has then
What makes them special then?
No, only they can administer certain sacraments
They have authority over us
What about cases where Protestant Pastors have done miracles? Are these just fakes or does the Holy Spirit work thru anyone it wants to, or is only bound to heritage?
According to?
Like the sacrament of orders
Christ
@Deleted User God isn't bound to anybody or anything, He does what He pleases. Anybody could perform a miracle if God wills it so.
@Spydig But you mentioned only the sucessors of the apostles are granted these powers?
So they only have authority based on historical lineage rather than being spiritually unique
???
Not authority to e.g., perform miracles
So the Holy Spirit can create miracles thru any denomination, be it catholic or protestant?
Yeah, whenever He wants to, that's up to Him
Right so have there ever been any successors that have deviated from the Church's teaching?
Through a Muslim is He really wanted to
Yes @Oboe
current ~~pope~~
Example
Arius
Yes, many
Men are fallible
Men are fallible but the Holy Spirit is not
And these people having the lineage to the apostles should be justified through their authority to define doctrine?
They can define doctrine in a very limited sense.
*very* limited
But if they used that authority to contradict scripture is nullified?
Can anyone define doctrine who isnt of the historical lineage?
Not really, like they can, but it wouldn't be as reliable
Of course we have layman biblical scholars and everything
They can’t contradict any of three things. A. Sacred Scripture B. Sacred Tradition C. Sacred Magisterium