Message from @Spydig

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2019-06-20 17:47:13 UTC  

He actually does

2019-06-20 17:47:20 UTC  

Well not every minister is an inheritor of this unique ability

2019-06-20 17:47:26 UTC  

There’s all sorts of cases of miraculous healing

2019-06-20 17:47:37 UTC  

So the Pope *should* be able to command the dead to come back to life?

2019-06-20 17:47:41 UTC  

And again, the sacrament of unctin

2019-06-20 17:47:51 UTC  

Different people have these abilities at different times and different reasons, but that's only when it is the will of the Holy Spirit for that moment.

2019-06-20 17:48:05 UTC  

Well, will of God

2019-06-20 17:48:12 UTC  

Not necessarily the Holy Spirit

2019-06-20 17:48:18 UTC  

So the successors of the apostles have the same powers that any other believer has then

2019-06-20 17:48:26 UTC  

What makes them special then?

2019-06-20 17:48:35 UTC  

No, only they can administer certain sacraments

2019-06-20 17:48:36 UTC  

They have authority over us

2019-06-20 17:48:39 UTC  

What about cases where Protestant Pastors have done miracles? Are these just fakes or does the Holy Spirit work thru anyone it wants to, or is only bound to heritage?

2019-06-20 17:48:41 UTC  

According to?

2019-06-20 17:48:41 UTC  

Like the sacrament of orders

2019-06-20 17:48:49 UTC  

Christ

2019-06-20 17:49:03 UTC  

@Deleted User God isn't bound to anybody or anything, He does what He pleases. Anybody could perform a miracle if God wills it so.

2019-06-20 17:49:25 UTC  

@Spydig But you mentioned only the sucessors of the apostles are granted these powers?

2019-06-20 17:49:37 UTC  

So they only have authority based on historical lineage rather than being spiritually unique

2019-06-20 17:49:40 UTC  

???

2019-06-20 17:50:00 UTC  

Only the successors of the apostles are granted legitimate apostolic authority

2019-06-20 17:50:07 UTC  

Not authority to e.g., perform miracles

2019-06-20 17:50:18 UTC  

So the Holy Spirit can create miracles thru any denomination, be it catholic or protestant?

2019-06-20 17:50:30 UTC  

Yeah, whenever He wants to, that's up to Him

2019-06-20 17:50:33 UTC  

Right so have there ever been any successors that have deviated from the Church's teaching?

2019-06-20 17:50:42 UTC  

Through a Muslim is He really wanted to

2019-06-20 17:50:46 UTC  

Yes @Oboe

2019-06-20 17:50:48 UTC  

current ~~pope~~

2019-06-20 17:50:49 UTC  

Example

2019-06-20 17:50:52 UTC  

Arius

2019-06-20 17:50:56 UTC  

Yes, many

2019-06-20 17:51:13 UTC  

Men are fallible

2019-06-20 17:51:29 UTC  

Men are fallible but the Holy Spirit is not

2019-06-20 17:51:39 UTC  

And these people having the lineage to the apostles should be justified through their authority to define doctrine?

2019-06-20 17:51:57 UTC  

They can define doctrine in a very limited sense.

2019-06-20 17:52:03 UTC  

*very* limited

2019-06-20 17:52:21 UTC  

But if they used that authority to contradict scripture is nullified?

2019-06-20 17:52:25 UTC  

Can anyone define doctrine who isnt of the historical lineage?

2019-06-20 17:52:54 UTC  

Not really, like they can, but it wouldn't be as reliable

2019-06-20 17:53:09 UTC  

Of course we have layman biblical scholars and everything

2019-06-20 17:53:11 UTC  

They can’t contradict any of three things. A. Sacred Scripture B. Sacred Tradition C. Sacred Magisterium