Message from @Spydig

Discord ID: 591709317980356632


2019-06-21 19:17:11 UTC  

The invincibly ignorant who lead their lives as God calls them to do. May enter heaven or limbo and be spared damnation

2019-06-21 19:17:53 UTC  

Those people being those who have no knowledge of Christ or similar

2019-06-21 19:18:29 UTC  

If someone has never heard of Christ they go to hell

2019-06-21 19:18:35 UTC  

Because everyone has

2019-06-21 19:18:37 UTC  

It’s similar to the idea of baptism of desire/ baptism of blood

2019-06-21 19:18:52 UTC  

The star when Jesus was born was seen throughout the world

2019-06-21 19:18:59 UTC  

It was up to man to respond to it

2019-06-21 19:19:15 UTC  

Those that didn't ignored it, and their predecessors ignored it

2019-06-21 19:19:18 UTC  

They are guilty

2019-06-21 19:19:34 UTC  

The idea that someone can be saved through ignorance is absolute non-sense

2019-06-21 19:19:53 UTC  

it implies that damnation is unjust or that God has an obligation to save people

2019-06-21 19:19:55 UTC  

Anyone who does not believe in Christ cannot enter the kingdom of God, it's as simple as that @Phil With Frankincense

2019-06-21 19:20:05 UTC  

SIMPLE AS

2019-06-21 19:20:07 UTC  

No matter what

2019-06-21 19:20:31 UTC  

You may call it unfair, you may say "a loving God wouldn't do that"

2019-06-21 19:20:47 UTC  

God is rarely portrayed as loving

2019-06-21 19:20:51 UTC  

That's Jesus's role

2019-06-21 19:20:54 UTC  

God is just

2019-06-21 19:21:06 UTC  

God as in the father

2019-06-21 19:21:28 UTC  

Jesus is God too. You run the risk of falling into Arianism talking like that

2019-06-21 19:21:34 UTC  

Well, the fact that God the Father provided Jesus as a sacrifice is indeed loving, so it's actually a matter of both.

2019-06-21 19:21:43 UTC  

@Phil With Frankincense That's why I just said God as in the father

2019-06-21 19:21:56 UTC  

To clarify

2019-06-21 19:22:09 UTC  

Jesus is *equal* to the father

2019-06-21 19:22:15 UTC  

And Jesus is less powerful than the Father

2019-06-21 19:22:19 UTC  

False

2019-06-21 19:22:22 UTC  

Heresy

2019-06-21 19:22:26 UTC  

Jesus says himself he is under the Father

2019-06-21 19:22:31 UTC  

Jesus is loyal to the father

2019-06-21 19:22:35 UTC  

As He is His father

2019-06-21 19:22:38 UTC  

That's monarchianism

2019-06-21 19:22:49 UTC  

I’ve not heard of that one Spy

2019-06-21 19:22:49 UTC  

Jesus is *in essence* equal to God the Father

2019-06-21 19:23:13 UTC  

In terms of honor He's below because that's where a son belongs, but in actually being God He's equal

2019-06-21 19:23:39 UTC  

Also called subordinationism, basically it's saying that somehow the Son or the Holy Spirit are less than the Father @Phil With Frankincense

2019-06-21 19:23:47 UTC  

John 14:28

2019-06-21 19:23:48 UTC  

**John 14:28 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

```Dust


<28> You heard me say to you, 'I am leaving, but I will come back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father; for he is greater than I. ```

2019-06-21 19:24:02 UTC  

This is all aside from the point of how a loving God damns people

2019-06-21 19:24:04 UTC  

"for he is greater than I"

2019-06-21 19:24:19 UTC  

Which the answer to that is he doesn't love them, he hates them.

2019-06-21 19:24:52 UTC  

He is only equal in the sense that are one being, God, of the same essence but seperate