Message from @Spydig

Discord ID: 591709841207328778


2019-06-21 19:20:31 UTC  

You may call it unfair, you may say "a loving God wouldn't do that"

2019-06-21 19:20:47 UTC  

God is rarely portrayed as loving

2019-06-21 19:20:51 UTC  

That's Jesus's role

2019-06-21 19:20:54 UTC  

God is just

2019-06-21 19:21:06 UTC  

God as in the father

2019-06-21 19:21:28 UTC  

Jesus is God too. You run the risk of falling into Arianism talking like that

2019-06-21 19:21:34 UTC  

Well, the fact that God the Father provided Jesus as a sacrifice is indeed loving, so it's actually a matter of both.

2019-06-21 19:21:43 UTC  

@Phil With Frankincense That's why I just said God as in the father

2019-06-21 19:21:56 UTC  

To clarify

2019-06-21 19:22:09 UTC  

Jesus is *equal* to the father

2019-06-21 19:22:15 UTC  

And Jesus is less powerful than the Father

2019-06-21 19:22:19 UTC  

False

2019-06-21 19:22:22 UTC  

Heresy

2019-06-21 19:22:26 UTC  

Jesus says himself he is under the Father

2019-06-21 19:22:31 UTC  

Jesus is loyal to the father

2019-06-21 19:22:35 UTC  

As He is His father

2019-06-21 19:22:38 UTC  

That's monarchianism

2019-06-21 19:22:49 UTC  

I’ve not heard of that one Spy

2019-06-21 19:22:49 UTC  

Jesus is *in essence* equal to God the Father

2019-06-21 19:23:13 UTC  

In terms of honor He's below because that's where a son belongs, but in actually being God He's equal

2019-06-21 19:23:39 UTC  

Also called subordinationism, basically it's saying that somehow the Son or the Holy Spirit are less than the Father @Phil With Frankincense

2019-06-21 19:23:47 UTC  

John 14:28

2019-06-21 19:23:48 UTC  

**John 14:28 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

```Dust


<28> You heard me say to you, 'I am leaving, but I will come back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father; for he is greater than I. ```

2019-06-21 19:24:02 UTC  

This is all aside from the point of how a loving God damns people

2019-06-21 19:24:04 UTC  

"for he is greater than I"

2019-06-21 19:24:19 UTC  

Which the answer to that is he doesn't love them, he hates them.

2019-06-21 19:24:52 UTC  

He is only equal in the sense that are one being, God, of the same essence but seperate

2019-06-21 19:25:49 UTC  

And the father has knowledge that the Son does not have

2019-06-21 19:25:57 UTC  

Such as when the end times are

2019-06-21 19:26:16 UTC  

Perhaps the son relinquished the information voluntarily or maybe he just can't know

2019-06-21 19:26:45 UTC  

The Trinity is infinitly great and no one can understand even a fraction of it evensif you spent your entire life studying it

2019-06-21 19:40:11 UTC  

That much we can agree on, it's beyond our comprehension overall. We can only know so little.

2019-06-24 03:55:33 UTC  

God is fake news

2019-06-24 03:58:55 UTC  

?mute @Riley 7d

2019-06-24 03:58:55 UTC  

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Addie#3087 was muted, 7d***

2019-06-24 03:59:10 UTC  

anyone else?

2019-06-24 04:01:36 UTC  

?unmute @Riley

2019-06-24 04:01:36 UTC  

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Addie#3087 was unmuted***

2019-06-24 04:01:46 UTC  

?mute @Riley 90min

2019-06-24 04:01:46 UTC  

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Addie#3087 was muted, 90min***

2019-06-24 14:26:54 UTC  

Christians are fake news