Message from @Eoppa

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2019-08-28 00:56:06 UTC  

against evolution and the big bang?

2019-08-28 00:56:12 UTC  

We actually don't have evidence of most things that happened in the past

2019-08-28 00:56:18 UTC  

That's baptists lmao

2019-08-28 00:56:35 UTC  

The guy who "discovered" the big bang was Catholic I believe

2019-08-28 00:56:45 UTC  

UGHHH why do Christians always say that

2019-08-28 00:56:46 UTC  

like

2019-08-28 00:56:48 UTC  

i know

2019-08-28 00:56:53 UTC  

Then...?

2019-08-28 00:56:54 UTC  

they think it changes something

2019-08-28 00:56:55 UTC  

when it really doesnt

2019-08-28 00:57:06 UTC  

The church is one of the most important forces in the history of science

2019-08-28 00:57:21 UTC  

well not anymore, Belief in God is unjustified

2019-08-28 00:57:25 UTC  

False

2019-08-28 00:57:35 UTC  

Then provide a reason to believe

2019-08-28 00:57:41 UTC  

Let's take the over 40 cosmological arguments to start

2019-08-28 00:57:56 UTC  

Aquinas had some good ones

2019-08-28 00:58:00 UTC  

oh yea i heard that one

2019-08-28 00:58:20 UTC  

Ive heard all the "what caused the universe" arguments

2019-08-28 00:58:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/616074132634861607/downloadfile.png

2019-08-28 00:58:42 UTC  

Its just a modern God in the gaps

2019-08-28 00:58:53 UTC  

It's not an argument about the start of the universe

2019-08-28 00:59:00 UTC  

christians stole things from the muslims <:sniff:591452013682753536>

2019-08-28 00:59:02 UTC  

It's about *here and now*

2019-08-28 00:59:02 UTC  

o you said cosmological so

2019-08-28 00:59:07 UTC  

i thought thats what you meant

2019-08-28 00:59:19 UTC  

Read a book sometime lol

2019-08-28 00:59:29 UTC  

Only like 2 of the cosmological arguments regard that

2019-08-28 00:59:35 UTC  

you literally said "cosmological argument"

2019-08-28 00:59:39 UTC  

Yes?

2019-08-28 00:59:42 UTC  

cosmology usually references you know

2019-08-28 00:59:43 UTC  

space

2019-08-28 00:59:50 UTC  

Have you ever read a philosophical work?

2019-08-28 01:00:06 UTC  

lmao why would I?

2019-08-28 01:00:16 UTC  

logic is alright, but science tells us much more about the world around us

2019-08-28 01:00:42 UTC  

rather than sitting and pondering about the world, we can make observations and theories that can be tested

2019-08-28 01:00:42 UTC  

Science is truth preserving and relies on metaphysical assumptions that philosophers like Aristotle forged

2019-08-28 01:01:23 UTC  

Do you think empiricism was popular before empiricists?

2019-08-28 01:01:53 UTC  

Well i wouldnt think so

2019-08-28 01:01:57 UTC  

as there was no empiricists

2019-08-28 01:02:30 UTC  

So viewing science so religiously is a philosophical claim, not a brute fact

2019-08-28 01:02:42 UTC  

do you have evidence for God or not