I'm not entirely sure whether to call it spiritualism. Honestly. I don't think these "Gods" are some metaphysical entity. I believe that they are very much material just far from what we can comprehend. Animals can't comprehend human psychology, why should we be able to comprehend what we call gods?

Paganism allows for progress much more than christianity.

Pagans didnt have progress because didnt see need for it or desire.

We don't have some ancient book that tells us to hate gays

We dont need an ancient book to apply basic biology and natural order.

That book only makes it clear.

If there is no need for progress and no desire (I'm talking about society right now), there should be no progress

You are mistaking advancements for progress.

And new things.

If the entire world didn't want gay marriage, why should it be implemented? (I'm not against gay marriage)

Advancements can be reactionary.

Advancement in science and technology is important.

Paganism does not restrict that

Desire for gay marrige was manifactured.

Honestly I am not going to get into that now.

This is about religion.

@Riley so here it is again, you are shying away from using instincts as an objective measure, which is good because that isn't objective. You say you don't necessarily think these instincts matter, but they form our morals. So once again you have no argument against the bible here. What is your point?

When I scroll down I see you using loaded terms like *best interest*, which once again needs an objective measuring stick that you ultimately must reject.

we were not talking about the bible?

@Riley think real hard about why I asked you about objective morality

o ya

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Lol

We are all servants of God, nothing more.

2 Corinthians 4:18

**2 Corinthians 4:18 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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<18> For we fix our attention, not on things that are seen, but on things that are unseen. What can be seen lasts only for a time, but what cannot be seen lasts forever. ```

Revelation 21:4 KJV

**Revelation 21:4 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<4> And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ```

Hebrews 13:5

**Hebrews 13:5 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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<5> Keep your lives free from the love of money, and be satisfied with what you have. For God has said, "I will never leave you; I will never abandon you." ```

Isaiah 43:2

**Isaiah 43:2 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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<2> When you pass through deep waters, I will be with you; your troubles will not overwhelm you. When you pass through fire, you will not be burned; the hard trials that come will not hurt you. ```

cringee

Romans 1:24-27 ESV

**Romans 1:24-27 - English Standard Version (ESV)**

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<24> Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, <25> because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. <26> For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; <27> and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. ```

Romans 1:32 ESV

**Romans 1:32 - English Standard Version (ESV)**

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<32> Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. ```

walter

<@&588707615643795456> Daily Question ✝

- What is your stance on seperation of church and state? Theocracy vs Secularism?

Theocracy based

Secularism.