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2019-12-09 01:49:29 UTC  

Read the thing I quoted on the Council of Nicea as well

2019-12-09 01:50:49 UTC  

But is it not cited that the first stage of the Schism began because of the Catholic Church closing down Churches of the Byzantine Rite in what is composed of contemporary Italy, which resulted in the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople to excommunicate them in return.

2019-12-09 01:51:51 UTC  

Was I pinged?

2019-12-09 01:52:26 UTC  

@Perception Religion daily question

2019-12-09 01:52:41 UTC  

What is your view on what *is* hell?

2019-12-09 01:52:55 UTC  

Oh so its because of the role i have

2019-12-09 01:53:17 UTC  

Hell, for sure, isn’t the boiling cauldron that’s commonly depicted in most media.

2019-12-09 01:53:21 UTC  

```On July 16, 1054, Patriarch of Constantinople Michael Cerularius was excommunicated from the Christian church based in Rome, Italy. This excommunication severed the largest faction of Christianity, called Chalcedonian Christianity. The split is known as the Great Schism```

2019-12-09 01:53:22 UTC  

It’s something we can’t discern.

2019-12-09 01:53:30 UTC  

Conflicts happened way earlier

2019-12-09 01:55:45 UTC  

It's described that there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth, so it'll be horrible. Most important is that it is eternal separation from God until the Lake of Fire when Jesus comes again-where it will again be separation from God.

2019-12-09 02:26:32 UTC  

Honestly, I don't see how some Orthodox Bishops see hell as temporary

2019-12-09 02:26:43 UTC  

everything I can find makes it pretty clear that Hell is eternal

2019-12-09 02:27:17 UTC  

That’s their individual perspectives, though I’m sure they’d likely explain why in full.

2019-12-09 02:27:39 UTC  

But remember that the core tenet is that God does not send you to Hell, you send yourself to it.

2019-12-09 02:28:03 UTC  

You ultimately went because you turned down the gift of Heaven.

2019-12-09 02:28:29 UTC  

CS Lewis wrote a book about it in an anecdotal fashion.

2019-12-09 02:29:16 UTC  

A problem is that is that an individual of his own natural will cannot "choose" heaven

2019-12-09 02:29:55 UTC  

One can only turn down the gift of Grace that is freely given

2019-12-09 02:30:09 UTC  

That’s correct, I should’ve worded it more efficiently.

2019-12-09 02:30:51 UTC  

There.

2019-12-09 02:35:55 UTC  

@Simp hell is temporary because hell is thrown into the lake of fire

2019-12-09 02:35:59 UTC  

The lake of fire is permanent

2019-12-09 02:36:15 UTC  

Revelation 20:14 KJV

2019-12-09 02:36:15 UTC  

2019-12-09 02:38:04 UTC  

So even in that perspective you remain in the lake of fire permanently?

2019-12-09 02:38:44 UTC  

@Simp what?

2019-12-09 02:38:58 UTC  

The lake of fire is permanent

2019-12-09 02:39:39 UTC  

Now, the Bible mentions a second death, I do not know of the soul of the damned is literally annihilated and dosent exist or if it's in eternal fire

2019-12-09 02:40:07 UTC  

Or if youou even retain consicousness in the lake of fire

2019-12-09 02:40:41 UTC  

Oh I see

2019-12-09 02:40:51 UTC  

Thank you

2019-12-09 02:41:03 UTC  

I guess I was having a mini stroke there

2019-12-09 02:42:24 UTC  

The lake of fire doesn't destroy hell

2019-12-09 02:45:06 UTC  

I dont think he implied tha5

2019-12-09 02:48:21 UTC  

14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Rev 20:14-15

2019-12-09 02:48:22 UTC  

2019-12-09 02:50:19 UTC  

The second death and names not written in the book of life being thrown into the lale of fire is the important part to understanding it.

2019-12-09 02:51:49 UTC  

Vs 11-15 talk about the final judgement

2019-12-09 05:09:32 UTC  

What religions/denominations does everyone hold?

2019-12-09 05:50:59 UTC  

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