Message from @Veraic
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False
Which is its desires
the Lord does not change
The correct phrasing is God desires us to freely follow him
the material world can change, but that does not change the Lord
Ok so go also desires us to freely not follow him?
You’re going down the same path as the first one
lol
No, you just blatantly ignore free will
Either god desires sin(problem of evil) or god wants us to follow him
Philosophy is holistic my bud
God is responsible for free will
Try again
Yes?
So now you have a dilemma
God desires us to follow him freely
you may willingly follow God or not
omg lol
if you dont, then when you die you are reborn anew to retry
this is comedy
Joy wolf this debate was settled so long ago
settled?
This is funny you guys trying to bring it back
you have just dogged the whole time
Either the problem of evil holds, and you have a separate contradiction, or god desires something that isn’t currently the case, and is imperfect and not purely actual
This is just a rehash of what Leibniz debunked
havent made one good point
lol
@Joywolf i havent even seen you argue, youve just complained and said lol
The way I see it, Blueroad’s maintaining the conversation, you just tag along and lob insults.
I've said the same answer entirely, you have the subjects and metaphysics wrong
It's such a bad argument
Joy wolf is a hindu
You haven’t actually explained how god isn’t existing in its desired circumstances
You just said we don’t follow him and he wants us to follow him freely
Well guess what people aren’t following him freely
God is pure act, God actualized what he desires, he actualized free will
Is this contradictory to you?
So god actualized sin as well then