Message from @Asdrubal

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2019-10-18 03:10:04 UTC  

^^

2019-10-18 03:10:04 UTC  

That cant happen in post Marx society

2019-10-18 03:10:15 UTC  

To be fair

2019-10-18 03:10:29 UTC  

None of us could have predicted the immense liberal shift in the 1900s

2019-10-18 03:10:30 UTC  

The bourgeoisie understand this

2019-10-18 03:10:46 UTC  

Hence why we have shit like the 80s

2019-10-18 03:11:07 UTC  

A great cultural shift to consumerism and money worship

2019-10-18 03:11:26 UTC  

To distract workers from the flatline and decline of wages

2019-10-18 03:11:33 UTC  

The outsourcing of jobs

2019-10-18 03:11:57 UTC  

The Reagan administration basically legalizing stock buy backs

2019-10-18 03:12:04 UTC  

Longer work hours

2019-10-18 03:12:57 UTC  

I think Marx misunderstands/didn't have a full picture of power dynamics

2019-10-18 03:13:21 UTC  

Consumerism is the problem

2019-10-18 03:13:27 UTC  

I've been saying this forever

2019-10-18 03:13:49 UTC  

You make the people poorer

2019-10-18 03:14:04 UTC  

Marx couldnt predict the future, it's really not his fault that in his lifetime capitalism was backed alot more by force than today

2019-10-18 03:14:06 UTC  
2019-10-18 03:14:12 UTC  

People who have less stuff are better off

2019-10-18 03:14:31 UTC  

To a point of course

2019-10-18 03:14:53 UTC  

When I say stuff I mean consumer gadgets and designer clothes and such

2019-10-18 03:15:00 UTC  

Eh

2019-10-18 03:15:02 UTC  

Tbh

2019-10-18 03:15:14 UTC  

Consumerist cultural is good for the rich

2019-10-18 03:15:23 UTC  

*for the rich*

2019-10-18 03:15:28 UTC  

What's it doing for you and me

2019-10-18 03:15:39 UTC  

Making communists out of us

2019-10-18 03:15:41 UTC  

I mean, the dynamics that guide social and political change were the same in the past, though they are much more robust and difficult to puncture now

2019-10-18 03:15:46 UTC  

That's about it

2019-10-18 03:16:19 UTC  

Why be a communist when you can be a distributist or something not heretical

2019-10-18 03:17:51 UTC  

Eh

2019-10-18 03:17:56 UTC  

This

2019-10-18 03:18:18 UTC  

Aren't we going very off topic

2019-10-18 03:18:25 UTC  

Distributism cant work until the church is purified or Christianity is United

2019-10-18 03:18:37 UTC  

Preferably both

2019-10-18 03:18:42 UTC  

What was the question even

2019-10-18 03:18:49 UTC  

Military spending

2019-10-18 03:19:11 UTC  

No religion based economic system can work West of the German polish border

2019-10-18 03:19:21 UTC  

It's very secular

2019-10-18 03:19:40 UTC  

Well nothing at all is going to happen until we build institutions outside of the current neoliberal paradigm, and the church has the greatest potential to become that (as it previously was).

2019-10-18 03:19:59 UTC  

The church was only so powerful because of an information disparity

2019-10-18 03:20:06 UTC  

It's not "religion based" persay it's just consistent with catholic social teachings