Message from @Classy
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The universe, specifically.
That's a massive assumption on your part, in my opinion
It implies *a* god or gods created it
The only religion that has ample evidence is Christianity.
@Notso sometimes
I’ve read a lot of the Luther bible and it doesn’t seem anything special
Aquinas's fourth way iirc
Not even really in my opinion historians agree Jesus existed and the text from that period and area all align with the bible's claims.
The universe for it to have been created would have needed immeasurable amounts of energy to do
@Notso I would say it's a lot of that and a lot of Boomer religion: "I go to church every Sunday dressed in overalls and a shitty Wal-Mart tee-shirt and I think Jesus is fuckin' cool"
Genesis 1:16 Luther
**Genesis 1:16 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
```Dust
<16> God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. ```
No
No one here probably likes boomers
Nothing can create itself
So either the Universe is uncreated, or something created it
We're all basically trash sinners and we all know it and I hope we all resent it but we are weak.
The Bible belt is very white but it also paradoxically is rather low in average IQ.
I've lived in it my whole life
Luckily God is a merciful God.
*Und Gott machte zwei große Lichter: ein großes Licht, das den Tag regiere, und ein kleines Licht, das die Nacht regiere, dazu auch die Sterne.*
This is the type of thing I mean by mistranslation or misunderstanding
I'm Mensa cardholding BTW
Yeah and we are not even getting into the argument how how and endless void could somehow create matter
This is *not* able to be used to disprove god
>endless void
citation?
We have no idea what came before the Big Bang.
Endless void? I guess nothing would put it better
That's you creating a gap where it needn't be then shoehorning your god into it.
At least the scientific consensus is „nothing“
Is it really?
What does "nothing" mean?
There was an absence of matter
There is no consensus on the subject.
The big bang assumes that there was nothing before it correct ? Or am i wrong
One thing we know 100% FOR CERTAIN, NO DISPUTE: Scientists have been wrong 100% of the time throughout history, and they're still wrong every single week. Every week the "facts" change.
Well nothing except God is what i would tell you
I don't trust a labcoat cuck for shit
The point of science is to test disprove what you think you know and improve upon that
Well lads, I'm finna head out. @ me if you need the gadolig answer
Some believe that it was formed from the echoes of a larger Big Crunch from a previous iteration of the universe. Some believe that it was formed from the collision of other multiverses.