the long lasting impact is the broadening beyond our limitations

it isnt about a continuous dopamine kick

but we know that this is not sustainable due to the characteristics of the hedonic treadmill

we will return to baseline

and no real benefit will have been gained

you are defining benefit by a set point of happiness of a person

broadening of limitations does not seem to correlate with happiness very well

why is happiness undesirable?

when did i say it was undesirable

I just don't think a pseudopsychological idea is the defining heuristic of benefit

i dont really believe the idea of a hedonic treadmill

you seem to imply that happiness is either meaningless or undesirable
so is benefit just being able to fire lasers out of your eyes?
i cant understand this effort to progress just for progressions sake

also
continuum fallacy

you are not understanding what i am saying

just because happiness is ''pseudopsychological'' does not render it invalid

the hedonic treadmill is pseudopsychological

not happiness

still
vagueness does not mean that it is invalid

the conflicting nature of finding benefit through different inhibitions and levels of chemicals that could be altered at anyone's wish anyway is just that

conflicting

the hedonic treadmill is pointless

dimensionalizing something arbitrary

how is it pointless?

it is applying dimensions to the specific fluctuation of chemicals of a person that is ever changing in its desire for certain stimuli

it is pointless to use this idea to determine benefit

why should benefit be about elevating above a baseline permanently

so that is your view of happiness
simply desiring stimuli

happiness is no more than a fluctuation of chemicals from stimuli

so you do not believe that there is a cognitive or immaterial part of the mind?

i do not believe in the immaterial

so you believe that your exact personality could be uploaded into a cyborg based purely on your brain chemistry and structure

yes

we could look at identical twins

i am a firm believer substrate-independent existence is possible and inevitable

identical twins do not share the same brain

so you dont want people to have experiences that play a role in the formation in personality

youre being silly now

no

the neuroticism of this discussion is making it unrealistic

not really
what is neurotic about this

the preying on the cynical of an idea that has the capacity to expand everything youre concerned about