Message from @el pebble
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neuroticism seems more important to look at
so youre going to drug people in order to prevent their emotional state from changing
this is getting wacky imo
that's not what i said
Just that it is alterable, and that it ultimately has no impact because it is simply a baseline
so you want to do away with normal baseline emotions?
I ultimately think emotional concepts will be deconstructed eventually but no, I just dont think the hedonic treadmill is an issue
so you do want to do away with emotions as a concept
why not just lobotomise everyone on the planet so that they can no longer feel pain?
I don't have an opinion on the progression of the human psyche through integration
just autonomy
so you dont care about whether we have any experience of emotions?
I don't particularly worry if synthesis will ultimately shed us the chemical reactions that lead to certain emotions
well
you could achieve your goals of transhumanism by lobotomising people why not just do that
I'd posit to you that humans are limited in what they perceive, feel and experience
if you think this is equivalent to lobotomizing people youre being disingenuous
I'd posit to you that humans are limited in what they perceive, feel and experience (2)
transhumanism could alternatively lead to much more to perception
emotions and experience etc
well now we are back to the problem of the hedonic treadmill
why would we want this perception if it wont really make a long lasting or genuine impact?
it isnt about a continuous dopamine kick
but we know that this is not sustainable due to the characteristics of the hedonic treadmill
we will return to baseline
and no real benefit will have been gained
you are defining benefit by a set point of happiness of a person
broadening of limitations does not seem to correlate with happiness very well
why is happiness undesirable?
when did i say it was undesirable
I just don't think a pseudopsychological idea is the defining heuristic of benefit
i dont really believe the idea of a hedonic treadmill
you seem to imply that happiness is either meaningless or undesirable
so is benefit just being able to fire lasers out of your eyes?
i cant understand this effort to progress just for progressions sake
also
continuum fallacy
you are not understanding what i am saying
just because happiness is ''pseudopsychological'' does not render it invalid
the hedonic treadmill is pseudopsychological
not happiness
still
vagueness does not mean that it is invalid
the conflicting nature of finding benefit through different inhibitions and levels of chemicals that could be altered at anyone's wish anyway is just that
conflicting
the hedonic treadmill is pointless