Message from @el pebble

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2019-08-04 20:28:31 UTC  

I don't have an opinion on the progression of the human psyche through integration

2019-08-04 20:28:35 UTC  

just autonomy

2019-08-04 20:29:20 UTC  

so you dont care about whether we have any experience of emotions?

2019-08-04 20:30:10 UTC  

I don't particularly worry if synthesis will ultimately shed us the chemical reactions that lead to certain emotions

2019-08-04 20:31:03 UTC  

well
you could achieve your goals of transhumanism by lobotomising people why not just do that

2019-08-04 20:31:03 UTC  

I'd posit to you that humans are limited in what they perceive, feel and experience

2019-08-04 20:31:25 UTC  

if you think this is equivalent to lobotomizing people youre being disingenuous

2019-08-04 20:31:33 UTC  

I'd posit to you that humans are limited in what they perceive, feel and experience (2)

2019-08-04 20:31:46 UTC  

transhumanism could alternatively lead to much more to perception

2019-08-04 20:31:51 UTC  

emotions and experience etc

2019-08-04 20:32:57 UTC  

well now we are back to the problem of the hedonic treadmill
why would we want this perception if it wont really make a long lasting or genuine impact?

2019-08-04 20:33:43 UTC  

the long lasting impact is the broadening beyond our limitations

2019-08-04 20:33:51 UTC  

it isnt about a continuous dopamine kick

2019-08-04 20:34:33 UTC  

but we know that this is not sustainable due to the characteristics of the hedonic treadmill

2019-08-04 20:34:41 UTC  

we will return to baseline

2019-08-04 20:34:52 UTC  

and no real benefit will have been gained

2019-08-04 20:35:43 UTC  

you are defining benefit by a set point of happiness of a person

2019-08-04 20:35:51 UTC  

broadening of limitations does not seem to correlate with happiness very well

2019-08-04 20:36:24 UTC  

why is happiness undesirable?

2019-08-04 20:36:46 UTC  

when did i say it was undesirable

2019-08-04 20:37:02 UTC  

I just don't think a pseudopsychological idea is the defining heuristic of benefit

2019-08-04 20:37:28 UTC  

i dont really believe the idea of a hedonic treadmill

2019-08-04 20:38:52 UTC  

you seem to imply that happiness is either meaningless or undesirable
so is benefit just being able to fire lasers out of your eyes?
i cant understand this effort to progress just for progressions sake

2019-08-04 20:39:56 UTC  

also
continuum fallacy

2019-08-04 20:40:19 UTC  

you are not understanding what i am saying

2019-08-04 20:40:26 UTC  

just because happiness is ''pseudopsychological'' does not render it invalid

2019-08-04 20:40:40 UTC  

the hedonic treadmill is pseudopsychological

2019-08-04 20:40:43 UTC  

not happiness

2019-08-04 20:41:30 UTC  

still
vagueness does not mean that it is invalid

2019-08-04 20:42:24 UTC  

the conflicting nature of finding benefit through different inhibitions and levels of chemicals that could be altered at anyone's wish anyway is just that

2019-08-04 20:42:26 UTC  

conflicting

2019-08-04 20:42:45 UTC  

the hedonic treadmill is pointless

2019-08-04 20:43:01 UTC  

dimensionalizing something arbitrary

2019-08-04 20:43:21 UTC  

how is it pointless?

2019-08-04 20:44:28 UTC  

it is applying dimensions to the specific fluctuation of chemicals of a person that is ever changing in its desire for certain stimuli

2019-08-04 20:45:00 UTC  

it is pointless to use this idea to determine benefit

2019-08-04 20:45:08 UTC  

why should benefit be about elevating above a baseline permanently

2019-08-04 20:45:13 UTC  

so that is your view of happiness
simply desiring stimuli

2019-08-04 20:45:27 UTC  

happiness is no more than a fluctuation of chemicals from stimuli

2019-08-04 20:46:20 UTC  

so you do not believe that there is a cognitive or immaterial part of the mind?

2019-08-04 20:46:39 UTC  

i do not believe in the immaterial