thanks man... idk ill take that into account, like i mean it

Thank you for the guide @Verchiel

@Verchiel I take well to scrying, I have idiopathic visual snow

My visual field is always full of stuff that's not there lol

So I have a substrate for it

@Kru§ol At what time there is occult rituals

@Snah

We don't have any other recurring rituals besides that but we have sporadic ones and you're welcome to host anything if you want

Alright, thanks. I'll try to join this friday

@Snah sounds good! I'll let you know if anything else comes up in the meantime

Many thanks

Fuck i think i asked this already but i didnt get a response that i would remember.

How can one figure out whether what they're speaking to is god or a spiritual guide, what is the difference? Obviously it is belief, there can't be a god in occult belief, at least nothing like a Christian god or one all powerful of the universe. But i think i have encountered something of the sort. How can i figure out what it is, if its anything

@FakkuBastard.jpeg that's an excellent question and honestly no one can really give you "the answer" on that one. Most spiritual/mystical experiences are subjective and as such, it comes down to you and your interpretation of the experience in the determination of its significance

One of the basic "arguments" in mysticism is the idea of invocation vs evocation. Many practitioners use both but there's a deeper philosophical debate on whether or not these metaphysical/spiritual forces we experience are actually entities or thoughtforms of some sort existing outside of ourselves that we invoke the characteristics or services of into ourselves, or if they're more like archetypes in the collective unconsciousness that act as stimulation points for us to evoke those archetypal characteristics outward from within ourselves

Me personally, I've worked with deities, spirits, and my guide/higher self, and I noticed some differences in the experiences. In retrospect I think the experiences presented themselves how they did due to how I was perceiving them (or what I was intending) and as such is why I'm more on the evocation end of the beforementioned argument

When I found my patron deity Utu, I read a lot about him and used meditation to talk to him; had some very intense experiences that I don't doubt were extremely mystical and paranormal in nature. I've used mediumship to contact spirits and have communed with them often, even voluntarily giving my own energy to a spiritual friend I met named Shox. I can't count the number of times I've communed with my guide or higher self. I've never met an external guide but when I first encountered my higher self it certainly came across as something very familiar but very different. Each one of those experiences were unique and yet ultimately I think they all boil down to different perspectives of my own consciousness; archetypal representations of what I thought each thing stood for. That doesn't make any of the experiences less special or spiritual or mystical to me, it's the effects that count really

What is a patron deity

Sounds like a god that like pays for your existence

@FakkuBastard.jpeg I'm sure you could ask multiple people and get multiple answers. To me a patron deity is like a deity that's like the "top dog" in your spiritual protection. They're someone who's characteristics and archetypes you identify with, and you gain strength and protection through your relationship with them

Does everyone have spiritual protection or have actual contact with spiritual beings or is it just occult people and the like

Im asking if you have to become aware

Or is it not there until you do something for it to happen

Evoke as one could say

@FakkuBastard.jpeg Subjective question and subjective answers. It may be different to different people depending on their belieffs

*How can one figure out whether what they're speaking to is god or a spiritual guide, what is the difference? Obviously it is belief, there can't be a god in occult belief, at least nothing like a Christian god or one all powerful of the universe.*

An interpretation or perspective is always helpful for understanding

There is still a general criteria for this; it's not 'entirely subjective'.

@Kru§ol

For one, most spiritual guides tend to be of a solar nature, but the descriptions we tend to get are angels, Gods, angels, or the "Higher Self".

@FakkuBastard.jpeg I stand on the evocation side of things so I don't really spend time debating if it's real or not

Very typically, spirits reveal their office to the user, especially if they're a life changing force for the user.

You're not debating, your perspective on reality will always help others with theirs, you're not offending. Thanks for the help though

^^ @FakkuBastard.jpeg this is why I said it's so subjective. One person can believe one thing, one person can believe another. One person may reference books, one person may reference anecdotes. There's no true answer, you just have to find it inside yourself

Spirit guides are forces which appear unto you and become a catalyst for major changes in your life, or those that remain with you to speak to you and move you for the rest of your life, etc.

If more perspectives i receive, more stuff i put together for myself

Patron Gods are a good example, but that is if the God appears.

@FakkuBastard.jpeg nah I didn't mean to imply you and I were debating or anything like that. It's just that the answer to your question isn't an answer that I find important and so it's hard to articulate anything beyond what I've already said. I don't necessarily think the spiritual stuff is external, I think a lot of it is muse for the inner self, and the things we experience as attributable to those forces we seek is just internal stimulation

Then your spirit is an internal simulation.

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Yeah i understood that much