What is a patron deity

Sounds like a god that like pays for your existence

@FakkuBastard.jpeg I'm sure you could ask multiple people and get multiple answers. To me a patron deity is like a deity that's like the "top dog" in your spiritual protection. They're someone who's characteristics and archetypes you identify with, and you gain strength and protection through your relationship with them

Does everyone have spiritual protection or have actual contact with spiritual beings or is it just occult people and the like

Im asking if you have to become aware

Or is it not there until you do something for it to happen

Evoke as one could say

@FakkuBastard.jpeg Subjective question and subjective answers. It may be different to different people depending on their belieffs

*How can one figure out whether what they're speaking to is god or a spiritual guide, what is the difference? Obviously it is belief, there can't be a god in occult belief, at least nothing like a Christian god or one all powerful of the universe.*

An interpretation or perspective is always helpful for understanding

There is still a general criteria for this; it's not 'entirely subjective'.

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For one, most spiritual guides tend to be of a solar nature, but the descriptions we tend to get are angels, Gods, angels, or the "Higher Self".

@FakkuBastard.jpeg I stand on the evocation side of things so I don't really spend time debating if it's real or not

Very typically, spirits reveal their office to the user, especially if they're a life changing force for the user.

You're not debating, your perspective on reality will always help others with theirs, you're not offending. Thanks for the help though

^^ @FakkuBastard.jpeg this is why I said it's so subjective. One person can believe one thing, one person can believe another. One person may reference books, one person may reference anecdotes. There's no true answer, you just have to find it inside yourself

Spirit guides are forces which appear unto you and become a catalyst for major changes in your life, or those that remain with you to speak to you and move you for the rest of your life, etc.

If more perspectives i receive, more stuff i put together for myself

Patron Gods are a good example, but that is if the God appears.

@FakkuBastard.jpeg nah I didn't mean to imply you and I were debating or anything like that. It's just that the answer to your question isn't an answer that I find important and so it's hard to articulate anything beyond what I've already said. I don't necessarily think the spiritual stuff is external, I think a lot of it is muse for the inner self, and the things we experience as attributable to those forces we seek is just internal stimulation

Then your spirit is an internal simulation.

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Yeah i understood that much

I related to what you think

Also verchial, god bless for always helping with stuff

No problem.

I can't type your username oops uwu

The archetypes themselves in this scenario would be more akin to the deities or gods but I differentiate it because the idea of a thoughtform is a pretty vague thing that isn't empirically studied nor are their standardized definitions of what they are. It's hard to measure when it's not apples to apples. The archetypes are definitely something but if you look at how Jung portrays them, it's more that they're common characteristics that exist in cultures and are defined by that culture. I suppose I look at certain super archetypes as being more akin with the "gods" but I don't think those archetypes have power beyond what they're representing. I think we can gain their power by eliciting those archetypes from within ourselves using the archetypes as a blueprint, using their mythos as a map to our own paths

Archetypes cross cultures because they are fundamental forces being explained through different cultural lenses.

Indra's net.

Some archetypes certainly do

Although id like to hear more about what you said regarding spirits showing their "office" to the "user"

They're not necessarily culturally exclusive.

Yea agreed. You have cultural archetypes which would be akin to respective pantheons, and then you have societal archetypes that would be akin to forces or upper G versions of God, etc.

Again that's how I view it

There's a reason why I can find 9999 versions of a fertility goddess.

Id like the 69th version please oh powerful shaman

That's because *fertility* as a fundamental metaphysical force with physical manifestations *exists* in the universal anima.

And permeates it.

Yea definitely, that's a good way to put it