There's a bunch of amorphous noise, much like static on your T.V. and a series of images, that ebb around in your subconscious even while you're awake.

That's what appears on the mirror. It vexes like a fluid, shifting from shape to shape, but never yielding up a single form only.

It is a very Lunar brainstate.

Sounds fun

So essentially when you scry, whatever is external comes and *tunes that channel*, or *taps on it*

And then the visuals will yield to that form

Found this out after a night of partying at a friend's house. Was feeling a bit hung over and decided to meditate, and there was a widescreen TV in the room which was turned off (the screen was near solid black as well).

So I treated it like a mirror. It had a minor reflection, and the lighting was dim in the room.

What happened was as I described.

Everything peripheral to the television went somewhat out of focus, but was never distorted.

And very clearly, right in the center of the television, the visuals came and kept on going for an hour.

It was a very interesting and pleasing experience. Faces became patterns and became landscapes, of no colour in particular and with very vague shapes.

Like a puplish grey series of ebbing images.

So, that's the extent of my experience with it. The night before, I got drunk and had a bong hit before passing out, and normally I don't smoke weed. So, those factors may have contributed to the ease of my ability to hallucinate onto the screen when I awoke in the morning.

My recommendation would be that you practice projecting images onto the screen, so you can get a good idea of what these *default* visuals are.

That way, when you're scrying during ritual, you'll have a good general idea of what's *standard* and what's the result of *an outside force.*

@Valen

http://boards.4channel.org/x/thread/23851379

can someone help me w/ this?

i would reach out to my guide myself but i dont rly know if i can, like, go in w a fresh perspective rn

i just need someone’s help or another person’s interpretation of his words better so that i can understand the meaning better

@PugThug ```I have been doing this sort of thing for over 10 years now ever since my occult father taught me so it doesn't take long for me to get through the average person.
Your guide wishes you would spend less time on 4chan and socialize instead and do productive things with your seconds that are forever escaping and impossible to get back.``` seems like this guy gave you all the help you need <:smugpepe:619749634402942998>

i said i wanted multiple perspectives

ok, here's a perspective

enough with the self-doubt, just commit to something and do it

doesn't matter if it's the right way or the wrong way, just commit

thanks man... idk ill take that into account, like i mean it

Thank you for the guide @Verchiel

@Verchiel I take well to scrying, I have idiopathic visual snow

My visual field is always full of stuff that's not there lol

So I have a substrate for it

@Kru§ol At what time there is occult rituals

@Snah

We don't have any other recurring rituals besides that but we have sporadic ones and you're welcome to host anything if you want

Alright, thanks. I'll try to join this friday

@Snah sounds good! I'll let you know if anything else comes up in the meantime

Many thanks

Fuck i think i asked this already but i didnt get a response that i would remember.

How can one figure out whether what they're speaking to is god or a spiritual guide, what is the difference? Obviously it is belief, there can't be a god in occult belief, at least nothing like a Christian god or one all powerful of the universe. But i think i have encountered something of the sort. How can i figure out what it is, if its anything

@FakkuBastard.jpeg that's an excellent question and honestly no one can really give you "the answer" on that one. Most spiritual/mystical experiences are subjective and as such, it comes down to you and your interpretation of the experience in the determination of its significance

One of the basic "arguments" in mysticism is the idea of invocation vs evocation. Many practitioners use both but there's a deeper philosophical debate on whether or not these metaphysical/spiritual forces we experience are actually entities or thoughtforms of some sort existing outside of ourselves that we invoke the characteristics or services of into ourselves, or if they're more like archetypes in the collective unconsciousness that act as stimulation points for us to evoke those archetypal characteristics outward from within ourselves